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SAWADEEKROB
03-13-2008, 03:25 AM
A long time friend from another board decided to move on with his life and shared some "life experiences" of 12 years of competitive cycling and he had this to say:

OK, those that know me know i am the epitome of the steroid abuser (or was rather) i have used nearly every compound known for over 20 years. I am done, happily i am healthy and on HRT and still able to maintain 250 and pretty damn lean. I truly attribute alot of this to fat-burners, fish oil, natural estrogen inhibitors and Creatine all which i take religously. I also happen to LOVE muscle milk, sorry to other companies!

Anyway on to the things i have learned in teh last 20 years hopefully it may help some of you...this is not BRO-KNOWLEDGE this is my life so if you want to debate it feel free but i won't be responding.

1. For serious mass gains you may as well get on and stay on, 750 to 1 gram of test per week, add in 400-600 of deca and then use dianabol at 30-50mg daily 4 weeks on 4 weeks off. Do this non-stop, run labs every 4 months to monitor liver function, chances are you will have no problems, if you do drop the orals for 2 months and run labs again. All the exotic shit in the world won't do a damn thing that these compounds won't do and i suggest you buy Human Grade amps only...there is a difference.

2. Anti-e's are way overused. They will hinder gains (remember i am talking mass here). If you are prone to Gyno then either find another hobby or have the damn glands cut out, sorry lifes a bitch. If you want to dry out or are leaning out intentionally then jack up the anti-e's.

3. UG labs - most are crap, i would say 9 out of 10 ; there is only 1 or 2 in existence i would trust and no i won't tell you how to contact them. You are better off going human grade from europe, yeah its a risk, again lifes a bitch.

4. The boards - most guys are no different than you they here something and all the sudden they repeat it as FACT, the only truth is we don't know the truth, these drugs were not intended to be used the way we use them. So don't bother asking becasue chances are the guy you are asking doesn't know any more than you do.

5. GH - for god's sake people if you are still making any gains at all on normal anabolics why the fuck are you buying GH? Its too damn expensive and really does not do that much for you unless you can afford ALOT. Now if you have truly topped out on anabolics then i suggest 10-15 ius per day taken 3 days per week along with 5 iu's of short acting insulin...all post workout.

6. igf/mgf/ghrp etc - a crock of shit for the most part if you insist on using peptides than just go with GH, most of these "research peptides" are crap and are worthless, i know of no competitive guys that use igf in place of GH.

7. Health - this is my experience only, after 10 years of cycling then ten years of NONSTOP use as described above my health is fine, the doctors said my labs were better than 90% of the populace, my RBC was elevated for a period of time until we stabilized my HRT and my liveer values run just slightly high but he believes that is the Cymbalta that i take for my depression. Again this is me, i was lucky, but in all reality i still don't regret it and would not look like i do now if i had not done what i did.

8. Trust - TRUST NO ONE, DON'T FUCKIN KID YOURSELF. Your friends your GF your wife...everyone talks and in this day and age you can't afford that.

9. My honest recommendation to those stateside involved in anabolics is get out now, i have too many friends in jail just because they wanted more from their life than their genetics allowed. In all honesty just posting on a steroid forum makes it pretty damn obvious that you are breaking the law...something to consider.


Thoughts?

Leo86
03-13-2008, 03:37 AM
Very interesting post. I dont agree with running test year round. And not running an AI regardless sounded pretty extreme. A lot of interesting points though. But then again this is only one guy's long aas experience out of thousands/millions of guys who have cycled a lot in their life. Plus a lot has changed in the aas world since the late 90s.

sti360hp
03-13-2008, 04:14 AM
A lot of good points I think.. especially the self proclaimed "experts" on this site and others I've been on. It goes for any forum I guess, there are a lot on my car enthusiest(spell?) websites. Since there have been next to no quality testing/studies/labs on humans and anabolics(not rats etc..), most of the info on here is opinion. I would say most of the time, the people answering your ???'s only have one or two more cycles than you do and are pulling answers out of there ass... its still better than no answer and trying to figure it out on your own but... a valid point.

No-Go
03-13-2008, 04:45 AM
Don't agree with 90% of that post

The BB Monad
03-13-2008, 07:15 AM
I don't agree with a lot but the post is still interesting... at least we get to hear other points of view!

da-sol
03-13-2008, 08:07 AM
Some points are valid but I don't agree with others.

jjgonz
03-13-2008, 08:45 AM
Don't agree with 90% of that post

bumped

JohnnyPro
03-13-2008, 09:50 AM
I think a lot depends on your age. If you are 21 then no I don't think you should get on and stay on. I am 53 and I'm on all the time. So age is a big factor.

jjgonz
03-13-2008, 10:21 AM
very true johny but thats more or less TRT slightly modified :D:D

LeanMass17
03-13-2008, 10:42 AM
A few good points...but the advice is too rigid to be practical for 99% of the people reading it, but I guess thats the point since he thinks everyone should stop using the stuff.

drob29
03-13-2008, 10:47 AM
whatever....YAWN....:cool:

Krom
03-13-2008, 12:45 PM
Well its good to hear another experienced opinion.

lola26
03-13-2008, 02:02 PM
whatever....YAWN....:cool:


ha..lol..

steak
03-13-2008, 02:23 PM
hmmm....

Krom
03-13-2008, 04:44 PM
As far as GH, I don't think its that expensive. I've payed more for AAS week by week than GH.

Matt Rock
03-13-2008, 05:07 PM
I like how he says his "health is fine"... His liver values are elevated, he takes depression medication, and his body doesn't produce T.

...could be worse I guess.

ROCK157
03-13-2008, 05:10 PM
I think if this guy jumps off a bridge you will get at least a percentage of people who will follow him. I don't think insulin should be used as a bodybuilder. I am diabetic and I know better. Some people can't fathom the thought of "Being On" all the time. If a doctor puts you on TRT it's because you are below normal test levels. When you are on TRT, there are no cycles, just "ON" all the time! Everyone has an opinion. This was just one path an individual took. I have my own path that I chose. I have been on and off since 1982, so I know how much bullshit there is!!!

gorillaboy
03-13-2008, 05:31 PM
holy shit !! i thought i have taken a lot and i have only been cycling for 4 years.

musclemd
03-13-2008, 05:48 PM
Interesting read- thanks for sharing

DEADBOLT
03-13-2008, 06:03 PM
I like how he says his "health is fine"... His liver values are elevated, he takes depression medication, and his body doesn't produce T.

...could be worse I guess.

lol...Good point buddy!

Alin
03-13-2008, 07:57 PM
Don't agree with 90% of that post

I dont agree with a whole lot of that myself. just his opinion more than anything.

Krom
03-13-2008, 07:57 PM
I think the point is he took gear for years nonstop and it hasn't affected his health with the probable exception of low test levels.

SAWADEEKROB
03-14-2008, 04:58 AM
I think the point is he took gear for years nonstop and it hasn't affected his health with the probable exception of low test levels.

Thank You...that was my point of this thread. Everyone that has done 2,4 or even 6 cycles doesn't have the experience that 10 or 15 years juicing gives.

All the health problems that we are seeing now are results of rec drugs, alcohol, high sat fat diets and diuretics. They are compounded because of the AAS.