when can I use a-bombs?

[Ariv88]

I'm planning on starting my second cycle.my first cycle was 500mg of sust250 and 400mgof deca.I used dbol for 5 weeks at 40mg.I am over my cycle and pct and currently have one month before I can start again.when is it appropriate to use anadrol 50?dbol did little for me,but the deca and sust were amazing!!no sides and went from 135 to 203!!!in 3 months.

[JohnnyPro]

You can use them at the beginning of your cycle, but I wouldn't go over 4 weeks. They are very liver toxic so use a good liver protectant, and of course drink lots of water.

[drob29]

I'm planning on starting my second cycle.my first cycle was 500mg of sust250 and 400mgof deca.I used dbol for 5 weeks at 40mg.I am over my cycle and pct and currently have one month before I can start again.when is it appropriate to use anadrol 50?dbol did little for me,but the deca and sust were amazing!!no sides and went from 135 to 203!!!in 3 months.

ariv,

Just so I understand you correctly, and before your credibilty goes down the shitter, you gained 70 lbs in 90 days??:eek:

[Krom]

ariv,

Just so I understand you correctly, and before your credibilty goes down the shitter, you gained 70 lbs in 90 days??:eek:

No way.

[stevekc73]

Damn!!!! If you gained that much in one cycle why in the hell would you want to change anything up?? The most I ever gained was 30 pounds and 10 of that was water, but that is just me. I would stick with that same cycle.

[Ariv88]

hahaha.....your rite!!sorry!!i went from 153-203.i wrote my thread from my iphone shit.my mistake!!so is anadrol ok to try for my second cycle?i know itll be mostly water,but can dbol rival a50?

[tdizzle28]

hahaha.....your rite!!sorry!!i went from 153-203.i wrote my thread from my iphone shit.my mistake!!so is anadrol ok to try for my second cycle?i know itll be mostly water,but can dbol rival a50?


Still a lot of weight. Don't know if dbol will rival adrol in gains, but ur liver might hold out for a few more years. Try tbol, less harsh, lower water weight, good strength gains

[lola26]

BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tdizzle28]

BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lol...how do you really feel lo? I concur that is a lot of weight, I would have to see some before and after pics. The most I've ever heard of was about 30 lbs...a lot of that being water weight that was lost after the cycle. Putting on and keeping 50lbs? That's a stretch.

[Ariv88]

no bullshit guys.ive been an honest member for quite sometime now.I got all my advice from this great board.I dont need to lie to myself nor others to feel good.I did gain 50 lbs.but it is becoming difficult to keep my weight at 203.I fluctuate any where from 198 to 205.I'm 21 yrs old 5'9 and 15% bf.I come from a family with great genes.my father has been the one to train me so hard to get to where I was.

[Leo86]

no bullshit guys.ive been an honest member for quite sometime now.I got all my advice from this great board.I dont need to lie to myself nor others to feel good.I did gain 50 lbs.but it is becoming difficult to keep my weight at 203.I fluctuate any where from 198 to 205.I'm 21 yrs old 5'9 and 15% bf.I come from a family with great genes.my father has been the one to train me so hard to get to where I was.

Ill give you the heads up with lola. Since you mentioned your 21 years old he is gonna start giving you a hard time saying that your too young for aas which I disagree with. Im more concerned with how much a person knows about aas and knows how to cycle properly then him being 21 instead of 23 or 25. Im 21 as well and im in week three of my first cycle with no regrets. Thats great if you really did gain 50 lbs from your first cycle. I would hold off on the a-bombs. Your young and have all the time in the world down the road for hardcore compounds like tren and anadrol. Just make sure you run a liver protectant year round and up the dose while on orals. Try something like tbol and see how your body reacts to that. Good luck

[lostwars]

id like to know were ur getting ur gear...
50lbs in one cycle...
you dont need androl if u can put on such weight from dbol and such
i would leave the dbol untill youre 3rd cycle..

[Krom]

If I was starved and emaciated I think I could throw on 50lbs in 3 months but It sure as hell wouldn't all muscle. Just give me a shit load of cheese cake and some estrogen pills

[lola26]

post up some before and afters.




















bumping bullshit.

[awelch]

I'd believe 30 lbs or so, but 50 seems like kind of a stretch. I'm not saying it isn't possible, but it sounds like you must have drastically changed your diet while on cycle and before going on you were eating way less if that's the case. Here's an article I found on basskilleronline if anyone is interested. It seems to me like a sensible explanation for why some beginners gain so much weight on their first couple cycles.

Everyone wants to know how to gain high poundages on a cycle. We’ve all got a “friend” in a gym somewhere that gained 25lbs on his last cycle and we want to do the same. We ask ourselves…What is his secret? Is the juice he’s taking that good? Is it a good diet in conjunction with the test.. is that what is responsible? Well, here’s the answer.. NO, his particular anabolic compound of choice be it Sustanon, Winstrol, Dbol, Tren, etc… isn’t so great that whoever takes one of those compounds will grow.. nor is his diet so “on” that he will gain more than us.

Here’s the truth.. and some of you won’t like it.. Some of you may even get pissed off.. The reason these guys grow so much on their cycles is because they shouldn’t even be using steroids to begin with… And that’s the truth… That may sound a bit confusing.. yes? Well allow me to elaborate…

You take a 20 yr old male. He has been lifting on and off for six months or so… He’s about 6 foot tall maybe a little shorter.. 5’10” or so.. He weighs about 165lbs.. He’s got a little bit of definition.. nothing big.. when his shirt is off people can tell he’s been working out.. He decides one day that he wants to take steroids, He sees the really big guys in the gym and he wants to be like them right now.. he doesn’t want to wait any longer.. in his mind six months has been long enough.. So he gets on the internet.. he finds a message board similar to this one.. he reads a little .. finds a hook up.. and decides to run 250mg of test and 300mg of deca for two months and ends up weighing around 185 or 190.. All of his friends are amazed.. he’s amazed He’s put on some size.. he looks like a weight lifter.. he doesn’t look like someone who could compete.. but he looks like he’s finally arrived on the Body building scene… His closest friends are so impressed that they want to run the exact same cycle .. He tells them exactly what he did.. how he ate etc… Now, a few months go by.. all of a sudden the kid is back to around 165 maybe 170.. He thinks.. “Oh man.. I’ve got to get back on cycle.. I need those drugs to be big.. if I don’t.. I just can’t grow… Steroids require that I stay on all the time to maintain the kind of size that I want”… I guess that’s what he has to do; huh; stay on all the time?

Now, here’s the reason he gained 25lbs on his cycle.. He was so far from his genetic potential that once the anabolic compounds were introduced into his system he grew like a weed.. His body didn’t need to struggle to put on that mass, because it was quite capable of adding that much mass naturally.. The steroids just sped it up..

it is for lack of a better or more accurate word.. a short cut to get to where he could have gotten natural anyway. His inevitable weight loss after coming off his "super" cycle wasn’t from the lack of steroids.. it was from a lack of a proper foundation.. a Lack of proper training skills, and a lack of muscular maturation…

Here’s the deal.. guys who need steroids aren’t the guys who are growing 25+lbs per cycle.. they are gaining 10lbs and hopefully keeping 5-8.. They are struggling to even do that.. I’ll tell you from personal experience.. I am 30 yrs old 6’2” .. I am 284lbs currently.. I am 17% BF (I’m a power lifter/strongman.. so I keep a little extra fat on me)…If I wanted to keep the same body fat % I have now and weigh 300lbs.. I would have to run a very long cycle. or in all honesty it will take me two full cycles to get to 3 bills..

An average cycle for me is about 750mg Test, 450mg Deca, 300mg EQ and Some Dbol in the front and at the end… Those are some fairly heavy dosages...Why don’t I gain 25lbs per cycle?

Because No matter how much gear I take.. no matter how much I eat.. my body is so far beyond it’s genetic potential that I simply can’t add that kind of radical mass anymore..

My body does a fairly good job of maintaining mass when I’m not on cycle.. but I do drop weight regardless.. and in truth, the only reason my body maintains it’s size as well as it does is because of Muscle maturation.. My body is used to carrying around that muscle.. it’s not a shock to my body to carry it around.. And I built a solid mass foundation naturally years ago.. I reached my genetic potential before I started using juice.. Lifting was a habit and a lifestyle for me because I played football from Junior high through College.

I’ve worked out in gyms all over the country.. and I have been doing so for the better part of a decade.. and I'll tell you, I have seen a lot of little guys blow up for a couple of months from a cycle only to deflate a couple of months later. It's the truth.. Muscle Maturation plays a huge key in keeping mass... that and proper training skills.. (and no hitting bench 3 days a week and squatting once every few months doesn't count)

So in truth, when you hear about some guy who gained 25-30lbs off of a cycle.. Please keep in mind that he is probably some impatient tiny punk that could have easily gained the same amount of muscle had he just been a little more patient.. If he had just been focused on learning how to train.. focused on how to eat…

This is a lifestyle.. there are no short cuts if you want to be the real deal.... There will never be a fly by nighter even win the smallest amateur comp in booney freaking Iowa if he hasn't been serious for years...

It's important that you guys learn that Juice may seem like the best short cut in the beginning... but whenever you add that much mass that quickly from gear.. Your body isn’t going to be ready for it.. it will literally fight you to keep it.. the sudden size and strength will stress the ligaments, tendons, bones and central nervous system and Your body will do everything that it can to shed those rapid muscle gains.. Decent muscle mass is only kept through time and hard work (cough.. cough.. it's a cliché.. but it's still true).. and it's important that your gains aren't so fast that the body can't adjust healthfully to it’s new weight gain..

I've been on the boards for years.. and I'll tell you, 80% of the people on these boards are wannabes and posers.. they are guys who won’t even be working out six months from now.. They are impatient and are looking for the shortcut.. they may even get a few short term results.. but in the long run they will come out behind everyone else (and when I say long run.. i mean less than a year or two)

These kind of guys will never be anything more than a hobbyist.. and in truth...that is probably the case in every other aspect of their lives as well, not just weight lifting..

So in the end my advice is this.. if you are wanting to add some mass. and you’re stuck.. learn a different training method.. change your diet.. and if you’re a good size.. (that’s when everyone who is in the room with you knows you’re a weight lifter.. if you walk in a room, and everyone in there doesn’t know that you lift… you are not ready for steroids) then come and sit down.. and we’ll talk about steroids.. until then… Learn how to train.. learn how to eat.. and spend some time in the gym.. you’ll be so much better off in the end…

by Phreezer

I'm not busting on you if this is the case, as it is for a lot of people. I'm just stating a possible explanation as to why you may have gained so much weight.

[ironfreak703]

bro's last december 06' after my surgery i dropped down to 145... i am now 202, and during my bulk i got as high as 224.. not joking at all... so that is what 80 pounds in a year.. yes granted i was 200 pounds befor my surgery.. but still the weight is on the scale.. and it was almost 80 pounds... i dont know any other way that somthing like this could happen though.. it was partly because of the rebound my body got from being on a liquid diet for 4 weeks.. so when i ate actuall food it was game over

[Ariv88]

yea ill give AWELCH an A+ on his article.i did drastically change my diet.i took alot of advice from my father.i was consuming about 6500 calories and 300g of protein daily with 1 gallon of water daily.i did gain about 4% more bodyfat,but i did very well with my diet.iwas probably eating one or two meals a day prior to AAS.im sure it was due to the fact that i had "virgin receptors."im going to try test e at 500mg with eq at 400mg.with dbol for first 5 weeks.hcg during cycle also.and then pct.i love lola's comments.ive read many threads where he gets on newbies and fu@$!ng liers.lol....but im being honest.what really helped,was cottage cheese and peanut butter sandwiches rite before bed(after dinner).since ive always had a fast metabolism.

[LeanMass17]

My first cycle I went from 150lb (Division 1 Track Athelete) to 185lbs...thats 35lbs

Oh and Anadrol is a shitty steroid...so is D-bol...Why do you want to take these crappy bloat pills? They are hard on the liver and gains tend to be fleeting. Why not take something safer and more permanent like T-bol or Anavar. Oh and I hope you dont have MPB because if so your hair is done for on those orals. Thats just my personal opinion

[flart]

hahaha.....your rite!!sorry!!i went from 153-203.i wrote my thread from my iphone shit.my mistake!!so is anadrol ok to try for my second cycle?i know itll be mostly water,but can dbol rival a50?

Where can I find this magic gear?

Alin - will you be carrying it soon?