need some veteran advice about comp cycle

[marclaw]

Well next month I start training for show late june i am gonna start gear in april all the way through june so 12 weeks I wanna put on a little size for the first 6-7 weeks and then focus on definintion in the last 5 weeks i am already pretty cut naturally and I have never done any winnie or tren before. anyways weeks 1-6 i plan on anadrol 100mg a day weeks 1-4 sustanon 500mg a week weeks 1-8 tren hex 200mg a week 2-7 and eq 1-8 at 300-400mg a week for size and then start cutting with winnie 200mg a week for 6-12 with tren ace at 75 mg 3 times a week with some test maybe still sust or prop dont know yet and maybe some eq. O the question is is this too much and does it make since to switch from tren hex to tren ace and is it ok to run sust and eq as a base for 12 weeks or no. I also have some eq that is only 50 mg a ml as well as some bd with 200 mg/ml. so is it ok to go from 400 mg eq to 200 for last six weeks. Oh and I still keep hearing mixed reviews about the hcg during cycle is this absoluely necessary or can it be used as pct alone
i will be using nolva and proviron all through cycle as well. help me out bros

[anaholic]

you need to start everything 90 days out, all the items taken should be pre contest/ cutting drugs, you should be doing a bulking cycle now not 120 days out from your contest

[Alin]

Well next month I start training for show late june i am gonna start gear in april all the way through june so 12 weeks I wanna put on a little size for the first 6-7 weeks and then focus on definintion in the last 5 weeks i am already pretty cut naturally and I have never done any winnie or tren before. anyways weeks 1-6 i plan on anadrol 100mg a day weeks 1-4 sustanon 500mg a week weeks 1-8 tren hex 200mg a week 2-7 and eq 1-8 at 300-400mg a week for size and then start cutting with winnie 200mg a week for 6-12 with tren ace at 75 mg 3 times a week with some test maybe still sust or prop dont know yet and maybe some eq. O the question is is this too much and does it make since to switch from tren hex to tren ace and is it ok to run sust and eq as a base for 12 weeks or no. I also have some eq that is only 50 mg a ml as well as some bd with 200 mg/ml. so is it ok to go from 400 mg eq to 200 for last six weeks. Oh and I still keep hearing mixed reviews about the hcg during cycle is this absoluely necessary or can it be used as pct alone
i will be using nolva and proviron all through cycle as well. help me out bros


With the cycle you outlined I would most definitely use the HCG, 500ius every 5 days DURING cycle, NOT with PCT.

[marclaw]

well i just finished a bulking cycle last month omna d-bol and deca now i am 3 weeks into pct. in my bulking cycle I am not trying to get too big maybe 10-15 lbs but thanks alin for letting me know about the hcg. What should i change about the cycle or is it ok in regaurds to the test and eq for the last 6 weeks I dont think it should take me longer than that b/c right now my bf is under 10% and I am not dieting or doing too much cardio

[arnold jr]

Well next month I start training for show late june i am gonna start gear in april all the way through june so 12 weeks I wanna put on a little size for the first 6-7 weeks and then focus on definintion in the last 5 weeks i am already pretty cut naturally and I have never done any winnie or tren before. anyways weeks 1-6 i plan on anadrol 100mg a day weeks 1-4 sustanon 500mg a week weeks 1-8 tren hex 200mg a week 2-7 and eq 1-8 at 300-400mg a week for size and then start cutting with winnie 200mg a week for 6-12 with tren ace at 75 mg 3 times a week with some test maybe still sust or prop dont know yet and maybe some eq. O the question is is this too much and does it make since to switch from tren hex to tren ace and is it ok to run sust and eq as a base for 12 weeks or no. I also have some eq that is only 50 mg a ml as well as some bd with 200 mg/ml. so is it ok to go from 400 mg eq to 200 for last six weeks. Oh and I still keep hearing mixed reviews about the hcg during cycle is this absoluely necessary or can it be used as pct alone
i will be using nolva and proviron all through cycle as well. help me out bros


Arnold jr's recommendations:

wk 1-8 sust 500mg wk
wk 1-6 winny 50mg ed
wk 7-12 tren-a 75mg eod
wk 9-12 prop 500mg wk *if still slightly bloated at 1-2 wks out pull prop all togehter.
wk 12 masteron 100mg ed
wk 1-12 a-dex 1mg eod
wk 1-12 hcg 500iu e5d

Arnold jr.

[Kaiser]

I would use a more stable base like TestE instead of TestSust.

[arnold jr]

I would use a more stable base like TestE instead of TestSust.
Sust is only unstable if used improperly. Also, being that it is being use for comp prep it should tend to cause him to hold a little less water then say test-e or cyp…with the added in a-dex the bloat will be even less. Finally, the switch to prop at the end will help to eliminate or at least stave off any additional bloat. As mentioned previously, if bloat is still a slight problem at the end, and at this time it should be only slight, if at all, he can drop test all together at the end.

Arnold jr.

[marclaw]

so what about the eq and a anadrol just say screw it

[anaholic]

start your diet and juice 90 days out, only take cutting/ contest prep shit, i would not use anadrol at all, and eq could be used for the first part of contest prep,but if it causes bloat at all drop it

[arnold jr]

start your diet and juice 90 days out, only take cutting/ contest prep shit, i would not use anadrol at all, and eq could be used for the first part of contest prep,but if it causes bloat at all drop it
Agreed. As far as the EQ, if you're like a lot of guys it increases appetite tremendously, and since you are dieting down for a show this can make your calorie restriction an even tougher process then it has to be. I say forget the EQ.

Arnold jr.

[anaholic]

there are better choices than eq, and sust, , i would do some halo 10 days out from the show for sure

[arnold jr]

there are better choices than eq, and sust, , i would do some halo 10 days out from the show for sure

You think that is long enough to get benefits? Wouldn't 3-4wks be more of a minimum? Of coarse dosage would also have some effect. I understand how halo works and that effect will be seen and felt almost instantly, but even so, it just seems slightly longer duration would be better.

Arnold jr.

[marclaw]

where there it is thanks for the advice

[anaholic]

ive only used it for 10 days, because everything ive read says its very toxic and should only be used 10 days max, if anyone has had bloodwork done while on halo please coment, i have wondered how acurate this 10 day saftey margin is myself, I cannot recomend anything that may compromise someones health, i have used halo plenty of times and it is fully kicked in by seven days,

[Chretien2946]

start your diet and juice 90 days out, only take cutting/ contest prep shit, i would not use anadrol at all, and eq could be used for the first part of contest prep,but if it causes bloat at all drop it
Water retention doesn't mean a thing 90 days out. You only gotta worry about that the last few days before the show. Personally, I would get rid of the EQ and Winny altogether. They do nothing when your body is in a calorie restricted state. Run the Test right up to the day of the show. 1000+ mg/week. And add the Anadrol 3 weeks out and run that to the day of the show to maintain positive nitrogen balance. Tren won't harm you, but it won't benefit you either. HCG is a good idea although I never do it. Water can be pulled out by using your nolvadex and proviron, (I prefer femara). Aldactone should be used in an inverted pyramid scheme on tueday before the show and lasix the night before. You will come in full and dry. One thing to remember: The drugs can do amazing things but if your diet is even a little off, you blew it.

[anaholic]

Water retention doesn't mean a thing 90 days out. You only gotta worry about that the last few days before the show. Personally, I would get rid of the EQ and Winny altogether. They do nothing when your body is in a calorie restricted state. Run the Test right up to the day of the show. 1000+ mg/week. And add the Anadrol 3 weeks out and run that to the day of the show to maintain positive nitrogen balance. Tren won't harm you, but it won't benefit you either. HCG is a good idea although I never do it. Water can be pulled out by using your nolvadex and proviron, (I prefer femara). Aldactone should be used in an inverted pyramid scheme on tueday before the show and lasix the night before. You will come in full and dry. One thing to remember: The drugs can do amazing things but if your diet is even a little off, you blew it.
youve gotta be shitten me, dont take winsrol, 1000mg of test up to the show, add anadrol 3 weeks out! that sounds like a good way to not make the callouts, i cant believe someone would even consider that

[Chretien2946]

Don't knock it 'til you've tried it. I use more like 3-4000 mg/week right up to the show. D'bol can be used instead of A'drol. Most guys won't retain water if their diet is on. That is the key and it will always be that way. Diet is #1. I have seen dozens of guys use this method, and everyone comes in full and ripped to shreds. Never seen anyone come in at least their best condition ever this way. I never won a show til i did it this way. I'm 2 for 2 using this regimen and I will continue to do so. Try it. You'll be glad you did.