Taking oral steroids properly??

[Leo86]

I noticed a lot of you guys take your oral steroids with food instead of on a empty stomach. I always thought taking orals on a empty stomach is a must. Im gonna quote what I read from Anabolics 2007:
"Studies have shown that taking an oral anabolic steroid with food may decrease its bioavailablity. This is caused by the fat-soluble nature of steroid hormones, which can allow some of the drug to dissolve with undigested dietry fat, reducing its absorption from the gastrointestinal tract. For maximum utilization, oral steroids should be taken on an empty stomach."
Any opinions on that?

[drob29]

I try to take dbol with a little food, it makes my stomach upset if I take them when it's empty. Same with PCT.

What good is better absorbtion if your on the shitter instead of working out?:eek:

[metalcavy87]

I noticed a lot of you guys take your oral steroids with food instead of on a empty stomach. I always thought taking orals on a empty stomach is a must. Im gonna quote what I read from Anabolics 2007:
"Studies have shown that taking an oral anabolic steroid with food may decrease its bioavailablity. This is caused by the fat-soluble nature of steroid hormones, which can allow some of the drug to dissolve with undigested dietry fat, reducing its absorption from the gastrointestinal tract. For maximum utilization, oral steroids should be taken on an empty stomach."
Any opinions on that?

That's a very good question, but I'm curious to see the original citation behind that statement. Does Anabolics 2007 point you towards a specific reference or paper? I'm pretty sure I know the answer, but I want to make sure I'm basing it on the same assumptions and conditions the clinicians are - if they differ, the answer might too. Once I get a look at that study I should be able to give you a real answer.

[SwoleTexasKid]

I try to take all my vitamins and oral roids on an empty stomach. I take Animal Stack and Creatine on an empty stomach, as well.

Ive always thought the food absorbs some of the nutrients and compounds and lessens the effects.

I may be wrong.

[Leo86]

I try to take all my vitamins and oral roids on an empty stomach. I take Animal Stack and Creatine on an empty stomach, as well.

Ive always thought the food absorbs some of the nutrients and compounds and lessens the effects.

I may be wrong.

That was what I was thinking. For example if I take 30mg of dbol with food, there is a good chance that 30mg would turn out to only be 15mg or less???:confused: since some of it would absorbed from the food.

And metalcavy about the studies he didnt go into detail about studies. The guy who wrote the book is William Llewelyn. Ive read many parts of the book and its very in-depth info and has other studies with real-world dosages. I doubt the studies are bogus, and I dont think he would would write someting down in his book he couldnt back up IMO.

[tdizzle28]

That was what I was thinking. For example if I take 30mg of dbol with food, there is a good chance that 30mg would turn out to only be 15mg or less???:confused: since some of it would absorbed from the food.

And metalcavy about the studies he didnt go into detail about studies. The guy who wrote the book is William Llewelyn. Ive read many parts of the book and its very in-depth info and has other studies with real-world dosages. I doubt the studies are bogus, and I dont think he would would write someting down in his book he couldnt back up IMO.

Don't you lose something like half of the compound through the first pass through the liver also?

[metalcavy87]

And metalcavy about the studies he didnt go into detail about studies. The guy who wrote the book is William Llewelyn. Ive read many parts of the book and its very in-depth info and has other studies with real-world dosages. I doubt the studies are bogus, and I dont think he would would write someting down in his book he couldnt back up IMO.

I'm not questioning their validity, just whether the assumptions in conducting such a trial are the same as the ones I am making. It's an important consideration. Specifically, it would be good to know which oral anabolics were used, the food in question, the timing, and the amount of food. All of these factors CHANGE the answer to the question you pose. It would also be good to know whether or not controls were used to make the results more reliable. I looked through my school's scientific paper database (it's ...extensive) and could not locate this one.

Just curious really. A writer (esp. one who profits off of book sales) should ALWAYS cite ideas that come from another party (within reason) and results of studies that they did not conduct themselves under fully reproducible, generally accepted clinical conditions; it's considered classy to give credit where credit is due, and intellectually honest to give the skeptic, like myself, a solid basis for investigation and if necessary, dispute. I don't care who the hell he thinks he is or how many people salivate at his "expert" gospel: -1 for Mr. Llewyn, that's classless, intellectually dishonest and really bad form IMO.

RANT ON - Not directed at OP, just a general statement

Oh, and like most snake-oil salesmen, no studies back up the assertions made in the book. Common sense indicates that if the author of a PUBLISHED WORK doesn't provide pertinent information (I.e. enough for the curious individual to discover EXACTLY where he sourced his claims from, such as the author, publication date, etc.) about studies backing up what he says, it can mean one of two things: firstly, chances are they don't exist, casting the validity of even the truthful information in the book into doubt... and secondly, if the first case is not true, that the author is lazy. If the author is too lazy to cite his sources, he's probably too goddamn lazy to give good advice, too. Either one should give you pause.

I think it's sorta sickening that people look up to these "experts" and follow their advice blindly. It's one thing if people do their homework and it leads them to conclude that the expert was correct, but God forbid the sheep do their own research and *gasp* reach an independent conclusion that *differs* from the one an expert suggests.

It may seem like a novel idea but I'm gonna say it anyways - BLINDLY LISTENING TO SELF PROCLAIMED EXPERTS IS NOT DOING YOUR RESEARCH. Tearing your brain apart to UNDERSTAND AAS, from the fucking ground up, using REAL, reproducible scientific data, IS doing your research.

And Mr. Llewyn is a tool IMO.

RANT OFF

[The BB Monad]

I'd actually thought that by eating the body would have more enzymes present during the digestion and would therefore assimilate more of the compound! Most pills, even medicines, say they should be taken with meals...

If you take it without food the body won't detect any digestive process and it just goes through the digestive tract to be eliminated.

Is this idea totally wrong?

What have you all been doing with your supplements and orals?

[schutzhundk9]

I always chew up my dbol and let it dissolve under my tongue. That way it doesn't even need to sit in your stomach.

[sti360hp]

My question is when are our stomach's empty anyways?? Eating every 2 1/2-3 hours doesn't leave you many windows to do that anyways......

[ojs]

This is overly simplistic, but, secretagogues and fat supplements should/can be taken on an empty stomach. Vitamins, minerals and enzymes should be taken with food. pharmaceuticals depend on the absorption and/or metabolism mechanism involved. So no hard fast rule on the latter.

[tpd01883]

any recreational substances I have ever used had much better absorption rates when taken on an empty stomach. Most pills are made to be broken down by warmth and moister alone, unless they have some sort of special extended release binding in them. Often those bindings are intended to be suceptable to enzymes that are largely located in latter parts of the digestive tract.

As far as the substances themselves, I have no real idea. I would think it would at the very least slow the absorbption rate to have food in your stomach, as it does with recreational substances. Perhaps even inhibit absorbtion to some small degree.

[Leo86]

I thought id chime in on here again and say something that counters what I read and posted earlier. I was talking to a good friend of mine who is a personal trainer and he has been taking oral steroids for years/decades and he thinks it is better to them take with food. He was saying something about it will absorb better if you take it with some food with protein. But Id like Big A's opinion on all this

[heyjb]

I just checked out the www.drugs.com website, which informs you how to take various drugs. Just type in the med and most orals may be taken with or without food.

[Krom]

Taking them with food will allow for a slower absorption rate and decrease the stress on your liver. Same applies to alcoholic drinks and other meds.

[bulldawg305]

My question is when are our stomach's empty anyways?? Eating every 2 1/2-3 hours doesn't leave you many windows to do that anyways......

my thoughts exactly!

[LeanMass17]

Its says right on the box of my Anavar to be "administered orally with food"

[Alin]

i typically take my orals on nearly empty stomach

[ironfreak703]

bro's when i was able to take orals i just chewed the bitch's up... tasted like shit... but in my mind i thought they would absorb faster being in powder form allready... prob not but hey whatever works for u... i was eating every 2 hours so on an empty stomach was not in the cards... they get to u in the same amount.. just it might take longer with food

[Rhandhular]

bro's when i was able to take orals i just chewed the bitch's up... tasted like shit... but in my mind i thought they would absorb faster being in powder form allready... prob not but hey whatever works for u... i was eating every 2 hours so on an empty stomach was not in the cards... they get to u in the same amount.. just it might take longer with food

Put me down in the chew column as well.

[lunny]

Who care's guys!!!! fucking take them if they work, Dont fix whats broken.....

[unclevername]

Put me down in the chew column as well.

Me three.

Funny how something can taste like shit to start with and then you learn to love the taste. Kinda like looking forward to your next pin.

[xxxcaptjackxxx]

Me three.

Funny how something can taste like shit to start with and then you learn to love the taste. Kinda like looking forward to your next pin.

me 4

Provimed and T-Bol no taste. Anavar has a sweet taste to it....then gets a bit bitter.

[Leo86]

Decided to try to chew method with my 10mg bp dbol. Just chewed up two of them and they are tasteless to me.