What you guys think of tis cycle?

[moseslok]

Cycle 1

Tren Ace - 100mg EOD
Sus250 - 500mg p/w
Winny - 50mg ED
Tbol - 40mg ED

P.S. Is a anti-aromatase such as Nolvadex or Arimidex be needed in a cycle like this?


Cycle 2

Tren Ace - 100mg EOD
Winny - 50mg ED
Tbol - 50mg ED

Do you guys think i'll see any gains with cycle 2? I've just been on a 12 week mass cycle (Sus250mg - 500mg p/w & EQ - 400mg p/w) 2mths back. Trying to define my muscles a little and put on a little more mass..

[anaholic]

i dont like it
the cycles are to similar, mix it up, kind of like workouts, never do the same workout twice, for example if you just did sust and eq then dont do either of those again for a long time, let the receptors that match them freshen up before resaturation.

[bigc100]

You might not be happy with your other cycle becuase you didn't run the Sust correctly. You need to inject Sust ED or EOD in order for all esters to work correctly. That may also be why you bloated up.
I have to disagree with anaholic. I think if you find something that works you can stay with IMO.
As for the two new cycles posted
Tren Ace - 100mg EOD
Sus250 - 500mg p/w change to EOD
Winny - 50mg ED keep in case of progesterone gyno
Tbol - 40mg ED not needed

Instead of the Winny and Tbol, I would suggest adding EQ. Good base anabolic

P.S. Is a anti-aromatase such as Nolvadex or Arimidex be needed in a cycle like this? YES


Cycle 2 - NO GOOD

Tren Ace - 100mg EOD
Winny - 50mg ED
Tbol - 50mg ED

[anaholic]

its pretty hard to say what works best for you untill youve done everything on the list 2 or 3 times, then after a few years you will have your favorites, but you dont run them all the time, you just look forward to the times you will be running them.

[flexmuscles2006]

Did you gain anything of that 1st cycle.

[bod1ggity]

Cycle 1

Tren Ace - 100mg EOD
Sus250 - 500mg p/w
Winny - 50mg ED
Tbol - 40mg ED

P.S. Is a anti-aromatase such as Nolvadex or Arimidex be needed in a cycle like this?


Cycle 2

Tren Ace - 100mg EOD
Winny - 50mg ED
Tbol - 50mg ED



You should always run tes with tren, even if its only a small amount... since this is your second cycle you shouldnt need 100mg of tren ace eod...
I would recommend

Test Prop - 100mg/eod wks 1-8 (even 50mg eod will work)
Tren Ace- 75mg/eod wks 1-8
T-bol-40mg/ed wks 1-6
A-dex-.25mg/eod wks 1-PCT

PCT
Should be started 3 days after the last injection, do clomid/nolv like alin recommends. If you feel like you need alittle more libido you can also use proviron.

[moseslok]

I've gained abt 10kg.. But i believe only abt 5-6kg of lean muscle. Managed to keep abt 7kg from the previous cycle but a little leaner. Not much bloat though. Never experience bloating with Sus250. Maybe its the low amount i use.

I tend to gain muscle even with a little amt of AAS. Wanted to lean up a little more and gain definition but maintaining the same weight and size as i believe that would change the appearance drastically..

I've currently started 50mg Winny ED and 40mg Tbol everyday for the last 16 days. Seems that i'm a little harder already with a little more definition. Wanted to add Tren Ace to really lean out..

Thus i was skeptical on adding the Sus250..

[bod1ggity]

If you run Tren you need either Proviron or Tes for libido, unless you want to be a limp noodle

[Kaiser]

since this is your second cycle you shouldnt need 100mg of tren ace eod...


Agreed, 350 per week is way to much Tren for this guy. Do what he said and limit Tren to around 228mg per week which is usually 3ml. Take 76mg EOD.

And yes, if you take Sus250, you will have to shoot it EOD because of it's fucked up esters.

[moseslok]

I would like to point out that this is not my 2nd cycle.

I have did countless cycles over the past few years but i haven't tried Tren. I've been using Sus250, Deca, Eq, Test E, Test suspension, Spectriol, Drive, clen, T3 and so on...

I have found 1000mg/wk of Sus250 and 400mg/wk of EQ to give the best mass results for me.

I'm on a little budget recently and would like to limit my AAS use to lower dosages as well as to take a break from the long heavy cycles (up to 3g of AAS/wk for up to 16weeks in a row).

I chose Tren cause I'm only running it for 6 weeks max.. and taking a break of 6 weeks b4 running the next cycle for another 6 weeks....

I'm currently ard 200lbs with abt 10% bf..

Cheers...

[anaholic]

the 2 cycles you posted are the same thing, except your throwing some left over sust in the first one, so iam viewing it as 1 cycle with a break in the middle, you should do something totally different on the second cycle.

[Beetlejuice]

Sustanon is not designed to be injected every other day or every day. If you want to do that then get some test prop, or suspension. Sustanon is meant to be injected once or twice a week in good dosages. That is how it was designed to be used. On another note: What exactly is wrong with a winny Tren ace, oral Tbol cycle? It is well known that tren and winny go together like peanut butter and jelly. If you are looking for quality gains a little oral tbol with it is great. Even the dosages arnt bad. Use the tren as your cycle base and run the winny at the end, and the tbol at the beginning. You could take a little proviron also at about 50 mg a day with that cycle.

As far as the first cycle goes use the sustanon as your base and use the tren and winny at the end of your cycle (last 6 weeks), and use the tbol at the beginning first 6 weeks. Run it about 16 weeks for the sustanon. First and foremost make sure that you do more research, and have a good diet and work out regiment.





You might not be happy with your other cycle becuase you didn't run the Sust correctly. You need to inject Sust ED or EOD in order for all esters to work correctly. That may also be why you bloated up.
I have to disagree with anaholic. I think if you find something that works you can stay with IMO.
As for the two new cycles posted
Tren Ace - 100mg EOD
Sus250 - 500mg p/w change to EOD
Winny - 50mg ED keep in case of progesterone gyno
Tbol - 40mg ED not needed

Instead of the Winny and Tbol, I would suggest adding EQ. Good base anabolic

P.S. Is a anti-aromatase such as Nolvadex or Arimidex be needed in a cycle like this? YES


Cycle 2 - NO GOOD

Tren Ace - 100mg EOD
Winny - 50mg ED
Tbol - 50mg ED

[Kaiser]

Sustanon is not designed to be injected every other day or every day. If you want to do that then get some test prop, or suspension. Sustanon is meant to be injected once or twice a week in good dosages. That is how it was designed to be used.

Wrong in my book. The original was created for a doctor to shoot once in 3 weeks. The esters cause an imbalance because you will have an inactive period the 3rd day. I will try and find the article write up on the subject.

[Beetlejuice]

Then your book is wrong.This is a continous debate on this and other sites. You guys completely ignore the long lasting esters in the amp for what? To get a couple of milligrams extra of prop? Most of the esters are mid to long in half life. I can show you a profile from one of the most respected sites in gear that says 250 mg every 2 weeks works.

Courtesy Anabolics.com

Sustanon 250 is an oil-based injectable containing four different testosterone compounds: testosterone propionate, 30 mg; testosterone phenylpropionate, 60 mg; testosterone isocaproate, 60mg; and testosterone decanoate, 100 mg. The mixture of the testosterones are time-released to provide an immediate effect while still remaining active in the body for up to a month. As with other testosterones, Sustanon is an androgenic steroid with a pronounced anabolic effect. Therefore, athletes commonly use Sustanon to put on mass and size while increasing strength. However, unlike other testosterone compounds such as cypionate and enanthate, the use of Sustanon leads to less water retention and estrogenic side effects. This characteristic is extremely beneficial to bodybuilders who suffer from gynecomastia yet still seek the powerful anabolic effect of an injectable testosterone. The decreased water retention also makes Sustanon a desirable steroid for bodybuilders and athletes interested in cutting up or building a solid foundation of quality mass. Dosages of Sustanon range from 250 mg every other week, up to 2000 mg or more per week. These dosages seem to be the extremes. A more common dosage would range from 250 mg to 1000 mg per week. Although Sustanon remains active for up to a month, injections should be taken at least once a week to keep testosterone levels stable.
A steroid novice can expect to gain about 20 pounds within a couple of months by using only 250 mg of Sustanon a week. More advanced athletes will obviously need higher dosages to obtain the desired effect. Sustanon is a fairly safe steroid, but in high dosages, some athletes may experience side effects due to an elevated estrogen level. With dosages exceeding 1000 mg a week, it is probably wise to use an antiestrogen such as Nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate) or Proviron (mesterolone). The use of Sustanon will suppress natural testosterone production, so the use of HCG (human chorionic gonadotropin) or Clomid (clomiphene citrate) may be appropriate at the end of a cycle. Sustanon 250 is a good base steroid to use in a stack. Athletes interested in rapid size and strength gains find that Sustanon stacks extremely well with orals such as Anadrol® (oxymetholone) and Dianabol (methandrostenlone). On the other hand, Sustanon also stacks well with Parabolan (trenbolone hexahydrobencylcarbonate), Masteron (drostanolone propionate), and Winstrol (stanozolol) for athletes seeking the hard, ripped look. Sustanon 250 is quite abundant on the US black market.

One of the more common versions is the Russian Sustanon 250 manufactured in India. Thousands of these amps are smuggled into the East Coast of the United States where they are then made readily available to bodybuilders. Average price is around $15-$20 an amp, but prices as low as $5 an amp are available to some individuals who can purchase the amps as soon as they come ashore. The Russian Sustanon comes in plastic strips of five covered with a white paper and imprinted with blue ink. More recent lots of Russia Sustanon have the expiration date printed numerous times in purple ink going lengthwise in a line across the strip of five ampules. The ampules have a white paper label imprinted with blue ink. Don't be surprised if the labels are crooked or peel off easily. The labels on Russian Sustanon are commonly glued on crooked, and should peel off, but not in one piece. Also, don't be alarmed if the amps come loose without the plastic strip. The plastic strip is often thrown away to make it easier to smuggle the amps into the country. There is little need to worry about the legitimacy of Russian Sustanon. The World Anabolic Review mentions a counterfeit with rounded corners on the label, but this fake is rarely seen on the US black market.

Another popular version of Sustanon is the Sostenon 250 rediject manufactured by Organon in Mexico. The redijects are very common to the southern region of the United States because they are frequently smuggled over the border after being purchased in Mexican pharmacies. The price for a Sostenon rediject is about $8 in Mexico. In the United States, they are often sold for $20 a piece. Each Sostenon 250 rediject comes packaged in a plastic tray with a foil covering. The World Anabolic Review shows a picture of a rediject with the needle attached. This picture is outdated because Organon recently began manufacturing the Sostenon 250 redijects without the needle attached. The redijects are often favored by many because of their difficulty to counterfeit. However, recently, bodybuilders have complained about some underdosed redijects circulating on the black market in Texas. Fortunately, these underdosed redijects do not seem to be widespread. In the meantime, the chances of getting a fake rediject are still very slim. Less common, but still seen on the US black market are the European versions of Sustanon from countries like Italy, Portugal, and England. All of these amps are scored and have a white label that is difficult to peel off. The amps and boxes should have the lot number and expiration dated stamped on it.





Wrong in my book. The original was created for a doctor to shoot once in 3 weeks. The esters cause an imbalance because you will have an inactive period the 3rd day. I will try and find the article write up on the subject.

[larz]

Sustanon is overated IMO.

Single esters are much more cost effective and blood levels are of active ingredient are held at a constant and productive level.

Each to their own though but prop is king!

[anaholic]

i know i am tottally on my own here but i do a shot of sust every 12 days, the way i see it ill let each ester peak as its supose to do, if iam going to play pincushion ill just do prop, it gives a much harder look with less water retention,

[moseslok]

I shoot 1-2 amps of Sus250 every Mon and Thurs.. Been working fine for me.. I believe everyone should play around a little to see what works for you and do it according to your goals..

But, personally, i feel that Sus250 EOD is uncalled for. But then again, some people shoot Test E everyday.. Go figure...

[schwartz]

It has no place in any cycle for bulking. Besides 200mg of tren is like 10cc of whinny. Whinny is a waste if you are doing tren unless your cutting up.

[Beetlejuice]

Winny can help with bloating caused by test (and other gear), hell it almost works like proviron (some studies show it can help prevent gynomastia). It also is good for some one who is looking to increase strength and stamina. I love winstrol because I don't lift just to get big, but to look good and be strong. Winstrol applied properly will turn you into beast.

It has no place in any cycle for bulking. Besides 200mg of tren is like 10cc of whinny. Whinny is a waste if you are doing tren unless your cutting up.