questions on tren

[joelittle]

hi there,
As you can see i am quite new to here so just to say hello to everyone from the newb (oldy 44yrs) :)
Just doing my first cycle with an injectable (ooch)

i have decided after long research the best gear for me will be
Proviron
Parabolan of tren E
Winny oral
liv 52
Is there test in an oral as i only want the min injections possalb :)
or something else for the libdo?
i will only be doing very short cycles ie: only 2week cycles then 2wk post
i prefre to min long term liver damage etc at my age.

But tbh theres so many tren etc i ve only worked out that the tren E would be best(300ml 150ml x2 p/week)
winny 50g ed
proviron is it better than femara?Ive read how it acts with test but not sure for this ?
from reading profiles it seems Parabolan has a lot less chance of sides yes or no?
if so,what are the differences in strenght and gains?

last newb Q :)
This is my first time (as said) to inject ,is there a good guide on how to prepare and to give the injection?
Needle sizes etc ?
any help is appreciated
thx in advance
joe

[jstforme]

first of all welcome to the board. thank you for doing research before coming on here asking "what should i take". i see that you want to take parabolan of tren E. this desnt really make sense. parabolan IS trenabole hex, no enanthate in there. im not scolding you, just lettin ya know. Kaiser has a good post called "many faces of tren" in the general disscusion forun you should check it out. with you being 44, i would most definitly throw in some test enanthate. that would be my base steroid! proviron is great when using test. most poeple will say to not use tren on your first cycles. ive got a few under my belt now but havent used tren yet but will when i get the chance to get some. for your libido that is what the proviron is for.
i suggest for your first cycle doing testosterone enanthate 500mg with equipoise 400mg per week. that will be only 2 shots a week. nothing is toxic. can be used for 12 weeks or longer. great results. great price. thats everything i would want as a beginner.
needle size go with 23g 1.5 inch for glutes. i use 22 but 23 im sure doesnt look as intimidating. for injection procedures BigA has a sticky on the general discussion forum for proper technique.

[rAJJIN]

Trenbolone is not a good choice for a first cycle.
Honestly imo two weeks of this cycle is not going to do much for you...
proabaly more bad then good.
My advice is re-think your cycle or Just save your money and buy more food.

Testosterone is a must.
If your looking for just an anabolic to give you a little edge without the sides
or having to take a shot Id say try some anavar.

[joelittle]

Hi there,
thankyou for the replies and help.
I sould have been more direct,as i said my first injectable cycle

i ve done the anavar.
Thats the main reason upgrade so to speak(sticking now)
my diet is great after the last 2months
i am only doing about 150carbs and 200-300g of protein atm.

my fault is in the posting sorry,I didnt really xwhat the test only because of the sizing .i am more interested in the cutting side not the bulking side thats why i ve asked about this type if gear,which from what ive read is up there with the best when stacked with the winny for the performance side with min sides.
I prefer the sports side of things rather than as i said the bulking side.




I wouldnt do 12 wk cycles just a bit too long for the body for me,i might split it and go 4-6 wks max
the reason as i asked is that i have read alot but sometimes its hard to, fingure the right Q without looking like a goose
One eg is the trn my god there is just so many i mix them most of the time lol.
As for the parabolan, one of the profiles i read seemed to be excatly what i was looking for and not much sides
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catparabolan.htm
maybe jstforme you have an idea for me for the cutting with mybe some test in there instead of bulking up?
You guys have been there and done that ,thats why i am here and i am all ears.

"many faces of tren" Ill look into this and the needle thread


big thx in advance fellas rAJJIN and jstforme for the help
best
joe




edit
just reading the thread
interesting point
More unusual esters, such as cyclohexylmethylcarbonate (used in Parabolan) has eight carbons and one more oxygen than the above esters making it the heaviest.
mm sides the heavest as well?
As well i lent towards this because it was made for humans and not animals tbh


bit more reading gets me to this

"The specificity of Winny however, lies in how it counteracts estrogenic side-effects such as gyno and excess water retention. First of all it's a 5-alpha reduced substrate. 5-alpha reduction breaks the double bond between positions 4 and 5, which is required for conversion to estrogen via aromatase, the primary enzyme for the manufacture of estrogen in males. Because some of these compounds nonetheless show some affinity for aromatase they may have some use in blocking estrogen from other steroids they are stacked with"

and this
"Trebolone acetate. Without a doubt, the most powerful injectable androgen. Yes, it does exhibit some anabolic characteristics, but that facet is variable. What never fails to come through is a powerful androgenic punch.
The long halflife ester, Equipoise(Eq), is what I consider to be THE superior injectable anabolic for long cycles. "


more reaing lol got me this now
Equipoise seems to be quite a bit like the winny thb as for as being foor sports etc and cutting only thing would be the extra needleinstead of the oral winny.

the more i read the harder it gets :)
think like most ill ahve to try and dsee what works for my body at the end of the day.

[bigc100]

Your all over the map with these questions. Listen to what the other Bros. said and forget about Tren of any kind. It is tough to handle and sides can be quite bad. ie night sweats, aggression, loss of appetite. Forget about Tren. If you want to get hard and not big then use Primobolan. Stack it with Boldenone for 12 weeks and you will have close to no side affects. You actually might be confusing Primo with Para. Primo is non toxic, Para is very toxic.
And a 2 week cycle is absolutely worthless. Blood levels won't be high enough long enough to do anything.

[bod1ggity]

Parabolan is tren hex, and tren enan is the longest ester tren... if you have never tried tren and insist on doing (which I would not recommend to a newb) you should do tren ace 75mg/eod, it has the shortest half life and will be out of your system in 3 days tops, which means if you have a bad reaction to it, it will be gone much faster then enan or hex.
Nextly 2 weeks on 2 weeks of will do more damage than good, first off your talking about useing long esters that dont even really kick in until the first 2 weeks, secondly none of the above mentioned thing you have are that liver toxic, especially if you take Liv-52's and drink plently of water...
I suggest you do alot more reading before you decide to put together a cycle and it owuld probably be better if you just posted a thread saying

"Hi im a newb, im 44, height, weight, bodyfat, workout history... I want to do a cycle with injectables thats not very harmfull to my liver, I want to ____________ with this cycle, can anyone recommend a good cycle for me"

[bod1ggity]

Hi there,
As for the parabolan, one of the profiles i read seemed to be excatly what i was looking for and not much sides
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catparabolan.htm
maybe jstforme you have an idea for me for the cutting with mybe some test in there instead of bulking up?


Hahahaha man this profile is bullshit, the guy in it is saying that parabolin is one of the most user friendly steroids with fewer side effects :p
I guess night sweats, insane agression ,insane night dreams and lowered libido arent side effects? Wow I can see how someone could be thrown off by this article.

[Alin]

hi there,
As you can see i am quite new to here so just to say hello to everyone from the newb (oldy 44yrs) :)
Just doing my first cycle with an injectable (ooch)

i have decided after long research the best gear for me will be
Proviron
Parabolan of tren E
Winny oral
liv 52
Is there test in an oral as i only want the min injections possalb :)
or something else for the libdo?
i will only be doing very short cycles ie: only 2week cycles then 2wk post
i prefre to min long term liver damage etc at my age.

But tbh theres so many tren etc i ve only worked out that the tren E would be best(300ml 150ml x2 p/week)
winny 50g ed
proviron is it better than femara?Ive read how it acts with test but not sure for this ?
from reading profiles it seems Parabolan has a lot less chance of sides yes or no?
if so,what are the differences in strenght and gains?

last newb Q :)
This is my first time (as said) to inject ,is there a good guide on how to prepare and to give the injection?
Needle sizes etc ?
any help is appreciated
thx in advance
joe



Why not trying something simple, effective and safe? Anavar 40-60mg day for 10-12 wks.

[joelittle]

hi there,
Thankyou for all your help ,its nice to know that people do actauly care when it comes to taking this stuff :)
I will take all of your advice and stay away from it.
I am just coming off the Anavar 60mg day.
Already ordered mY next cycle (from the best surpplier in the business alin :)the only thing ive found with the Anavar i dont really get anyhelp in the engery side so i am feeling kinda tired most of the time(lo carb intake for the diet as well).so fo the next
My next will be for the real show instead of the warm up
test e
winny
Proviron
EQ
Thanks for all the help theres soooooooooo much to learn (and then some)
best
joe

[bod1ggity]

test e
winny
Proviron
EQ
Thanks for all the help theres soooooooooo much to learn (and then some)
best
joe

Looks like a much better cycle, make sure your PCT is good and you should have great results with this, without all the pains of dealing with tren, make sure your diet and workout are on point and good luck

[joelittle]

thankyou again for the help,the diet is great (after 2months of getting it right :)
low on carbs atm is the only thing ,as my body fat was over the roof (fat).
best
joe