ending anabolics 2 weeks short of test

[flatblack]

just playing the devils advocate here cuz i do believe the best protocal for ending 2 long estered compounds which have been run together is to end the anabolic 2 weeks b4 the test, and i have my reasons and opinions on that...just looking for others comments and opinions to see if they jibe with mine and/or to see if theres something unique that i may missed in addition to my opinions and research............

[fr8lnr01]

Nah, you didn't miss anything. That's what everyone says to do, I reckon.

[Alin]

just playing the devils advocate here cuz i do believe the best protocal for ending 2 long estered compounds which have been run together is to end the anabolic 2 weeks b4 the test, and i have my reasons and opinions on that...just looking for others comments and opinions to see if they jibe with mine and/or to see if theres something unique that i may missed in addition to my opinions and research............

I see no problems doing that. Good idea really.

[flatblack]

I see no problems doing that. Good idea really.



devilcat is me on another board..1st paragraph is mine..2nd is someone's differing opinion......comments?

Quote:
Originally Posted by devilcat
yer not gonna get an argument outta me for running longer cycles bro, i'm just finishing a test e and EQ cycle myself which ive run for 4 months now...i wont be doing any pct this time around tho, i'm 43 and will be running TRT until my next cycle...but if yer gonna be running pct , its better to stop a long estered anabolic such as deca or EQ 2 weeks b4 the test in order to time yer pct more precisely...avoid an abrupt discontinuance of all steroids at the same time because the body immediately enters a catabolic phase. The cortisone receptors become freed up, and in combination with the low test and androgen levels and an increase of fat and water, often gyno can occur... Gyno's possible because the suddenly low androgen level shifts the relationship in favor of the estrogens which suddenly become the domineering hormone...all in all, it just makes for a smoother transition into pct...that being said, the test could always be run for 16 weeks and the eq FOR 14...but again stopping 2 long estered compounds at the same time is not the best protocal when ending a cycle...for instance, winstrol can be run right up to the day pct starts.............

Stopping EQ 2 weeks prior to the test is pointless. Id like to ask what makes you think that those extra 2 weeks will help? I know guys that have got tested 5 months after running EQ and still came up positive. EQ takes so long to kick in, what makes you think it will disappear any faster then it took to start working? In that case you would have to stop the EQ upwards to 8 weeks before stopping the test base. Simply another internet myth my friend.

[The BB Monad]

... I'm planning to run the Eq & Deca 2 weeks shorter than the Test myself because of everything I've read around here.

If anyone can clarify this it would be great!

[flatblack]

ok, well this is my retort to his differing opinion...i think i'm on the right track here, but would like u guys opinions...again, 1st paragraph is mine, his 2nd ...........


Originally Posted by devilcat
disappear any faster?...uh no, its just that the half life for both EQ and Test E are about the same, approx 15 days...and yer 100% right, that EQ can still be found in blood plasma for up to 5 months, maybe longer, and Test E about 3 months, maybe a little longer...its all about the half lives of the compounds tho when it comes to starting pct...why wait 18 days to start pct then, i should just stop the gear and jump right away on nolva and clomid, etc...or if i took yer reasoning to the other end of the spectrum maybe i should just wait to start pct at that 3-5 month period when the gear has completely been expelled from the body...we both know that neither one of those are correct...and the end of a cycle its all about helping the body to restore its natty hpta function and endicronological homeostasis...ending a long estered anabolic 2 weeks short of a long estered test is just the beginning to helping the body smoothly transition into pct...of course that protocal would change with the use of compounds with much shorter half lives...i'm sure i havent convinced u but we can agree to disagree on this..................


I find it hard to believe that stopping the EQ 2 weeks prior will have any effect on HPTA recovery. EQ is a very mild steroid to start with, and seeing as most will be completely shut down from the synthetic testosterone I dont see the advantage of stopping it any sooner then the test. Plus most want to get the most out of their EQ. However, Agreeing to disagree.

I love discussions

[schutzhundk9]

I always thought that it's the half life of the drug that determines how when you stop in relation to when you start your PCT, not weather it's Test or a more anabolic drug.

If you were running 1 gram of test E per week for 10 weeks it would take longer than 2 weeks for all that Test to drop to endogenous levels. If you are running 500mg of Test E for 10 weeks and you stop your levels will drop off much sooner than if you were running a gram a week.

I think it's a simple matter of mathematics to determine how much Test (or other AAS) is in your blood and when to start PCT. I'm a firm believer in switching to quicker acting drugs when ending a cycle so you can better calculate when you should begin the PCT for optimal gains retention.

[flatblack]

I always thought that it's the half life of the drug that determines how when you stop in relation to when you start your PCT, not weather it's Test or a more anabolic drug.

If you were running 1 gram of test E per week for 10 weeks it would take longer than 2 weeks for all that Test to drop to endogenous levels. If you are running 500mg of Test E for 10 weeks and you stop your levels will drop off much sooner than if you were running a gram a week.

I think it's a simple matter of mathematics to determine how much Test (or other AAS) is in your blood and when to start PCT. I'm a firm believer in switching to quicker acting drugs when ending a cycle so you can better calculate when you should begin the PCT for optimal gains retention.

well i agree with yer post and yer reasoning, so that being said, if u happened to run test e, deca, and EQ all the way to the end of a cycle of say 12 weeks long, would u run all the compounds to the 12th week or would u stop the deca and EQ 2 weeks sooner?...mind u, all 3 compounds have a half life of approx. 15 days....i'm trying to wrap my mind around this still even tho i think i make some valid points in my previous posts...........

[lunny]

That guy is a dipshit Flat!!! oh cause you can test for it in your urine means its still effecting you........ i think not!!! Dont waste your time on him...:D

[flatblack]

That guy is a dipshit Flat!!! oh cause you can test for it in your urine means its still effecting you........ i think not!!! Dont waste your time on him...:D

i agree, he's not fully comprehending the difference between the half lives of te compounds and how long theyre still detectable in the body, but still he's got me 2nd guessing my reasoning here and ive yet to here a valid opinion on my previous post about how to stop 3 compounds with the same half life...are my retorts to his posts just 100% on then and thats as good as it gets???.....haha, i'm one anal, ocd'd out mother fucker aint i?..........

[lunny]

i agree, he's not fully comprehending the difference between the half lives of te compounds and how long theyre still detectable in the body, but still he's got me 2nd guessing my reasoning here and ive yet to here a valid opinion on my previous post about how to stop 3 compounds with the same half life...are my retorts to his posts just 100% on then and thats as good as it gets???.....haha, i'm one anal, ocd'd out mother fucker aint i?..........

Yeah you are 100% correct...... :D:D:D take that punk to the cleaners..

[SwoleTexasKid]

just playing the devils advocate here cuz i do believe the best protocal for ending 2 long estered compounds which have been run together is to end the anabolic 2 weeks b4 the test, and i have my reasons and opinions on that...just looking for others comments and opinions to see if they jibe with mine and/or to see if theres something unique that i may missed in addition to my opinions and research............

Man you can end them at the same time if they are both long estered. Ive done it many a time.

Yeah you are 100% correct...... :D:D:D take that punk to the cleaners..

Press and Starch Son :D

[lunny]

Press and Starch Son :D


LOL......... priceless swole!:D:D

[SwoleTexasKid]

LOL......... priceless swole!:D:D

Thanks Lunny, That was Golden, wasnt it?:D

[flatblack]

hey, dont be hi jackin' my thread mother fuckers...Ty is just a couple keyboard clicks away...consider yerselves put "on notice"...:D:D:D

[SwoleTexasKid]

hey, dont be hi jackin' my thread mother fuckers...Ty is just a couple keyboard clicks away...consider yerselves put "on notice"...:D:D:D

Look at Flat, handing out warnings! Traitor! Benedict Arnold! :eek::D

"Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely"

[flatblack]

Look at Flat, handing out warnings! Traitor! Benedict Arnold! :eek::D

"Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely"

:D:D LOL:D:D

[schutzhundk9]

That guy is a dipshit Flat!!! oh cause you can test for it in your urine means its still effecting you........ i think not!!! Dont waste your time on him...

You can detect Marijuana in your your urine for months after use. That doesn't mean that your high for weeks though.

Being detectable in urine is more a matter of how your body stores and excretes the substance. Fat soluble drugs like deca and weed stay in your system longer than water soluble drugs like dbol and cocaine. Urine is not a valid way to determine when you should start your PCT.

[ojs]

You can detect Marijuana in your your urine for months after use. That doesn't mean that your high for weeks though.

Being detectable in urine is more a matter of how your body stores and excretes the substance. Fat soluble drugs like deca and weed stay in your system longer than water soluble drugs like dbol and cocaine. Urine is not a valid way to determine when you should start your PCT.
I believe it's the metabolites that stay in your system way after the drug itself has been processed, used and gone. Although it's not accurate, I think of the metabolites as the tossed wrappings sort of like when you eat a chocolate bar and leave the wrapper as a tell tale sign that you had one. You can read the wrapper way later and you know which brand you had.

[schutzhundk9]

I believe it's the metabolites that stay in your system way after the drug itself has been processed, used and gone. Although it's not accurate, I think of the metabolites as the tossed wrappings sort of like when you eat a chocolate bar and leave the wrapper as a tell tale sign that you had one. You can read the wrapper way later and you know which brand you had.

Exactly. Just because you can test positive for a drug doesn't mean that it's effects are still being exhibited.

[flatblack]

no comment on my question tho?..i'm tending to agree with swole..........

[jjgonz]

ive always heard both ways...but heard more so that you would run the test two weeks longer cuz its a smoother transition into pct

[cjjrwe]

I think it mainly has to do with half-lifes so the substances in your system leave the body (or are low enough) to start PCT. IMO EQ and Test could be stopped at the same time because they have very similar active, or half-life times.

The fact that the metabolites can be detected has absolutely nothing to do with bio-availability of the substance, e.g. Deca can be detected up to a year or so after last use, but obvioulsy you are not getting any benefit from the metabolites, but it could cause you to fail a drug test for AAS.

I would have no issue stopping Test-E or C and EQ at the same time, nor would I have any issue using Test beyond the EQ, but I would not stop the Test before EQ or Deca, for obvious reasons <<limp dick>>

[jermdogg]

ojs go collect social security already jesus christ your body looks disturbing

[Ed17447]

ojs go collect social security already jesus christ your body looks disturbing
What the fuck are you talking about now??

[ojs]

ojs go collect social security already jesus christ your body looks disturbingHere's one for you to chew on:
http://www.alinboard.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1045&d=1194955937

Post your picture you cute little cherry.:cool:

[Ed17447]

ojs go collect social security already jesus christ your body looks disturbing
Well jermdogg, You've been called out. Lets see the pic.

[jdchaffin]

ojs go collect social security already jesus christ your body looks disturbing

your barking up the wrong tree. This guys in better shape than most guys I know at any age.

[sliva32]

ojs go collect social security already jesus christ your body looks disturbing

Brought this thread out of the past to talk shit...come on jermdogg..put up or shut up!

[Jello]

ojs go collect social security already jesus christ your body looks disturbing

What he meant to say was "I'm a douche bag, my mom should have had an abortion":D

[lola26]

ojs go collect social security already jesus christ your body looks disturbing



what a piece of shit. fucking internet tough guys... i cant stand them.

[kevin3987]

what a piece of shit. fucking internet tough guys... i cant stand them.
easy young man;) relax Lo' i no u wanna reach threw the computer & snatch him the fuck up, but u no better let the Telephone/internet toughguy do what makes m happy, he wantss 2 get wize again Then FUCK EM................................................ .............................

[ojs]

What he meant to say was "I'm a douche bag, my mom should have had an abortion":DWhat's the legal limit these days? Maybe it's not too late.

[lola26]

lol...

[Jello]

What's the legal limit these days? Maybe it's not too late.

Whatever the legal limit is, I think we could give her a pass:D