T3 harmfull effects?

[bigrthanur]

I am thinking of using T3 with my next clen cycle but i have never used T3 because of the possible side effects. Which I thought to be high, but not sure just looking for some info. Does'nt T3 speed up your thyroid? If so can that cause permanent damage to it, like slowing it down too low while off T3?

Will the benifits of T3 outway the side effects or should i just stick with Clen?

Thanks!

[carteblanche83]

I dont have any experience with t3 but I am considering using it. From what I have read it seems that people recommend clen mostly and kind of leave the t3 to the experienced to get to very low bodyfat levels or for competitions, etc. I would say it depends alot on your stats and experience.

I have mostly seen 6 week cycles on average and the dosages are tapered pretty carefully. T3 will speed up the metabolism and you will require more calories. It helps with fat loss, but that can also include muscle if dosage is too high. High protein is recommended with t3 to try and help prevent catabolism, but T3 is usually used along with aas for this reason. There seem to be concerns of permanent thyroid deficiency with people that would abuse it. It probably can happen, but I have never seen that posted.

Diet will probably get you to where you want to go man. Hope this helped.

[emchowdhury]

I am thinking of using T3 with my next clen cycle but i have never used T3 because of the possible side effects. Which I thought to be high, but not sure just looking for some info. Does'nt T3 speed up your thyroid? If so can that cause permanent damage to it, like slowing it down too low while off T3?

Will the benifits of T3 outway the side effects or should i just stick with Clen?

Thanks!

It does shut down your thyroid when you take it for too long. But if you taper it up and down, you are fine. You can do 3 weeks cycle or 6 week cycle. T3 is catabolic, make sure you increase your protein intake and have some BCAA to hold the muscles.

3 weeks cycle goes like this (25 mcg tabs)
Days 1-21
25,25,25,50,50,50,75,75,75,100,100,100,75,75,75,50 ,50,50,25,25,25

6 weeks cycle goes like this (25mcg tabs)

6 weeks T3 Dosage

Day 1 - 1
Day 2 - 1
Day 3 - 1
Day 4 - 1
Day 5 - 1
Day 6 - 1
Day 7 - 2
Day 8 - 2
Day 9 - 2
Day 10 - 2
Day 11 - 2
Day 12 - 3
Day 13 - 3
Day 14 - 3
Day 15 - 3
Day 16 - 3
Day 17 - 3
Day 18 - 4
Day 19 - 4
Day 20 - 4
Day 21 - 4
Day 22 - 4
Day 23 - 4
Day 24 - 4
Day 25 - 4
Day 26 - 3
Day 27 - 3
Day 28 - 3
Day 29 - 3
Day 30 - 3
Day 31 - 3
Day 32 - 2
Day 33 - 2
Day 34 - 2
Day 35 - 2
Day 36 - 2
Day 37 - 2
Day 38 - 1
Day 39 - 1
Day 40 - 1
Day 41 - 1
Day 42 - 1

[bigrthanur]

I am 6 2, 220lbs and 12% BF want to cut down for summer but i think that t3 is just not for me I am prone to what ever can go wrong WILL. I have got gyno 2 times from roids! Man that surgury is expensive, But worth it!

Anyway I dont think the benifits of using T3 is enough for me to risk thryroid shut down.

Thanks for the info guys!!!!!!!

[No-Go]

I am 6 2, 220lbs and 12% BF want to cut down for summer but i think that t3 is just not for me I am prone to what ever can go wrong WILL. I have got gyno 2 times from roids! Man that surgury is expensive, But worth it!

Anyway I dont think the benifits of using T3 is enough for me to risk thryroid shut down.

Thanks for the info guys!!!!!!!

T3 at a low dosage is perfectly safe, prolonged use will shut you down but not a short stint of T3, as for your gyno issues that would be due to rubbish PCT or combating estorgen formation on cycle

[Krom]

I've been researching it for a bit now too. I wasn't going to try it but it's not harmful if used right so I'm going to give it a shot in a few weeks.

[cpesloco]

Found this info on Will Brinks site.
One subject that keeps coming up that many people have difficulty is with properly dosing and tapering T3.

Now while THERE IS NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER for the persistent rumor that improper t3 use will shut down your thyroid forever, it is also not something to take lightly and like all AAS, should be respected. Ive come up with a formula based on the research Ive done, and both theory as well as practical experience point that it should work well for your fat burning goals as well as give you a proper taper so that the thyroid is able to recover its normal function as quickly as possible. The key to this is having a long enough taper coming off of it. Since origionally designing this formula some will note that I have taken 5% off of the ramp period and placed it toward the back taper insted - this is because I have become convinced that in the presences of exogeneous supplementation, the thyroid shuts down fairly quickly and so the better to spend that time on the taper down.

NOTE 1: If you have never used T3 before, it is suggested that you lessen your constant time and increase your ramp up period to determin your reaction to t3 before heavy use.

NOTE 2: Synthroid (t4) may also be used to good effect with this formula but of course the maximums are diffferent -usually t4 convers to t3 at around a 4.5:1 ratio.

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CYCLEONS T3 CYCLE FORMULA

Its pretty simple really – 5/40/55 is a time-based formula whereby X% of the time of the entire cycle should be spent in one of 3 periods – up/constant/down:

RULE – 1
5% of the time is spent ramping up to your maximum
40% of the time is at your maximum
55% of the time is spent ramping down to cessation (nothing)

RULE – 2
Each up/down period is further broken down into equal segments for each dosing level with the emphasis being the dosing level toward the end of the period.

RULE – 3
I dont ever recommend taking more than 125mcg per day and 100mcg will do for most. Above this amount is quite catabolic without hefty concurrent doses of AAS. There are those who advocate higher doses and it is feasible to do so but IMO the effectiveness gains above 100mcg are not worth it.

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Example 1
An example for a 20-day cycle with a max of 100mcg ED using 25mcg pills. Calculate the number of days of each period first (Notice that where the up/down period is unable to be broken into 3 exactly equal parts, the extra is put on the dose level at the last part of the period. (.5) means 1/2 a pill or 12.5mcg

UP CONST DOWN
4 days 6days 10days
5% 40% 55%
2 44444444 33222111.5.5.5

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Example 2
An example for a 60-day cycle with a max of 125mcg ED using 25mcg pills. Notice that where the up/down period is unable to be broken into 3 exactly equal parts, the extra is put on the dose level at the last part of the period.


UP CONST DOWN
12 days 18days 30days
5% 40% 55%
234 555555555555555555555555 44444433333322222221111111.5.5.5.5.5.5.5

Hope this helps someone!

[newguy666]

I am thinking of using T3 with my next clen cycle but i have never used T3 because of the possible side effects. Which I thought to be high, but not sure just looking for some info. Does'nt T3 speed up your thyroid? If so can that cause permanent damage to it, like slowing it down too low while off T3?

Will the benifits of T3 outway the side effects or should i just stick with Clen?

Thanks!


t3 gave me heart palps and made me shake at... seriously keep at a low dose.

[emchowdhury]

I have done t3 cycle b4, I did 21 days tapering up and down. 25 mcg every three days until I reached 100 mcg then tapered down every three days till 25 mcg.

I ran with clenbuterol so I didn't feel much of T3, But I experienced some weird Sh*T. I felt retarded all of a sudden, when someone asked me a question, I would think really hard to answer the question. All of sudden, I felt like I did not know what was going on around me. People say you gain the weight back after t3 cycle, but I did not really gain the weight back.

[Krom]

I ran with clenbuterol so I didn't feel much of T3, But I experienced some weird Sh*T. I felt retarded all of a sudden, when someone asked me a question, I would think really hard to answer the question. All of sudden, I felt like I did not know what was going on around me.

Are serious? Is this typical? I not looking forward to taking this stuff but I'm trying a different protocol.

[emchowdhury]

Are serious? Is this typical? I not looking forward to taking this stuff but I'm trying a different protocol.

I don't really know about others, that's how I felt. T3 can be dangerous when you take it for too long. Don't take T3, it's catabolic, you loose lot of muscles. I 'd rather run DNP. By the way Krom, I just finished my DNP cycle, I am just waiting for all the water to come out. I see pretty good results, and I think it's time for me to bulk. I will cut one more month and the bulk in april.

[lunny]

Are serious? Is this typical? I not looking forward to taking this stuff but I'm trying a different protocol.

T3 is money and works really good!! (when you get real shit)

[Krom]

T3 is money and works really good!! (when you get real shit)

Mines from IR.

I'm hoping gh, roids, diet, sups, light cardio, etc. will help keep the muscle.

[Krom]

I don't really know about others, that's how I felt. T3 can be dangerous when you take it for too long. Don't take T3, it's catabolic, you loose lot of muscles. I 'd rather run DNP. By the way Krom, I just finished my DNP cycle, I am just waiting for all the water to come out. I see pretty good results, and I think it's time for me to bulk. I will cut one more month and the bulk in april.

Good here that worked for you.

I wasn't going to run the T3 too high but if I lose some muscle I won't freak out. I can gain back quick.

[Machola]

That shit is the devil! ask count vascular it fucked up his thyroid. i either i'm super sensitive to it or chem1 overdosed the batch because 25mcg gave me palpitations, extremely fast heart rate, sweating, and just an awful feeling for 8-10hours. i won't take that shit again. krom, just in case you're sensitive to it try 12.5mcg the first day. you don't want to go through that. made for a very bad day.

[jjgonz]

as for that retarded feeling someone mentioned...clen tabs made me feel like that for a day or two when i hit my peak dosage it was weird...lol...i wasnt running t3 at the time so it was the clen or just me lol...but the tabs were awesome i leaned out great...and cpes where did you get that info from...the 5 40 55%s seem interesting and make sense but i would like the read a little more on it...cuz the one part said it was theory...wheres ty or big A to chime in here :D:D and krom you shouldnt worry about losing much of anything if your ON as well as the GH and supps youll be fine...and like you said you can gain it right back :)

[The BB Monad]

I get my T3 over the counter and it is really cheap. I have taken it a few times, all over a 6 week period tapering up and then back down with no problem whatsoever! It is catabolic in high doses but if you run it with the Anavar or Test Prop or Sust you'll be ok and can even gain a few lean pounds (which has been my case everytime). I never get any sides like the shakes or anything of the sort. In fact Clen is the one that gives me the shakes.

Here's how I run it:
1-3 25mcg
4-6 50mcg
7-9 75mcg
10-33 100mcg
34-36 75mcg
37-39 50mcg
40-42 25mcg

[Hockey265]

I don't really know about others, that's how I felt. T3 can be dangerous when you take it for too long. Don't take T3, it's catabolic, you loose lot of muscles. I 'd rather run DNP. By the way Krom, I just finished my DNP cycle, I am just waiting for all the water to come out. I see pretty good results, and I think it's time for me to bulk. I will cut one more month and the bulk in april.
I don't agree with this at all. IMO, DNP is far more dangerous than T3. I've ran it for several months with no problems. I personally know a couple bodybuilders who ran T3 for 10 months out of the year with no signs of thyroid problems. Like cpesloco said, their is no substantial evidence that T3 will shut your thyroid down with prolonged use. You should still use it with caution though.

[mccollumstacy]

T3 is not to be abused guys. Yes - used sensably it is relatively harmless - but - abuse the shit and you will be forever a user. I don't believe even 10-12 weeks is going to put you in permanent shutdown - but use it for a year as alot of pro's do and see in which percentile you fall into on the 50/50 chance. A fellow baller back in school used the stuff for like 18 months straight - when he finally gave it up - he found out all kinds of stuff that the thyroid regulates. He is on it for life now - He has a prescription for it at 10mcg daily. And if he doesn't take his daily dose - he definitely pays for it with headaches and such. I don't say all this to scare anyone off - If used in a sensable manner - it is safer than taking vitiamins IMO. That may be a stretch - but you get my point. I would definitely let an ECA stack do all it could for me before graduating.

[bigrthanur]

T3 at a low dosage is perfectly safe, prolonged use will shut you down but not a short stint of T3, as for your gyno issues that would be due to rubbish PCT or combating estorgen formation on cycle


Gyno the first time was from NO PCT!!!! (newbie did know). The second time was from Tren acetate(I think) The second time i got it it was on the other pec and was'nt nearly as big as the first time i just wanted it removed because it made me self concious every time i was at the beach. Its a fairly simple surgury and now i can say i had a boob job!


Anyway thanks for the info. I think i will stay on my cardio and diet for now. Ohh ya and some clen!

[Krom]

That shit is the devil! ask count vascular it fucked up his thyroid. i either i'm super sensitive to it or chem1 overdosed the batch because 25mcg gave me palpitations, extremely fast heart rate, sweating, and just an awful feeling for 8-10hours. i won't take that shit again. krom, just in case you're sensitive to it try 12.5mcg the first day. you don't want to go through that. made for a very bad day.

Really? Well I'll start out with 12.5 mcg. Thanks for the warning.

[cpesloco]

and cpes where did you get that info from...the 5 40 55%s seem interesting and make sense but i would like the read a little more on it...cuz the one part said it was theory...:)

I got the info from a private site where I am a member.

http://www.fatlossrevealed.com

[brazil]

I started taking 40mcg today with my tren and prop. Gave me a little shakes and heart beat while working out, I kind of like it. Im going to take it for 8 weeks with my cycle.

[The BB Monad]

I don't get any sides from T3 nor does it affect my normal thyroid function. Clen for me is way worse. I start with T3 at 25mcg and up it every 3 days until I get 100mcg and keep it up for 4 weeks and then cycle it back down. I just do what it says on the paper and it's cool. (I buy mine at the pharmacy OTC)

[The BB Monad]

I got the info from a private site where I am a member.

http://www.fatlossrevealed.com

Is this for real? I mean, is it worth the $49? Anyone tried it?

[cpesloco]

not really worth the cash. I was led to believe it had more but whatever it's only money. I use the daily calorie/protein/carb/fat intake to keep track and read the forums and have some ebook downloads. there is some good info but save your cash.

[ironfreak703]

anyone tried chemones t3? just checking my options

[str8balla]

Iranian t3 my friends.....it is the bomb diggity.....I'm on bp right now and its not the same....in terms of results

[lunny]

T3 at a low dosage is perfectly safe, prolonged use will shut you down but not a short stint of T3, as for your gyno issues that would be due to rubbish PCT or combating estorgen formation on cycle

Also thyroid shutdown!!!!

[da-sol]

Iranian t3 my friends.....it is the bomb diggity.....I'm on bp right now and its not the same....in terms of results

I used one brand one time and didnt see any results. I ran BP last year and was real happy with it. I'm on it right now and as soon as I hit 100MCG I can see big changes. I also have a ton from IP but hear bad reviews on their T3/T4 but I will see for myself. Never tried Iranian T3.
I cycle mine every 6 weeks. But since I am on HGH I never get off I just go as low as 12.5MCG.
When using it for the first time I would just keep an eye on my Blood pressure and see how much you can handle. This is the same for Clen.
For some reason T3 I have no problems with 100MCG but Clen I can't go past 80MCG otherwise I feel my heart pounding my chest.

[Kott425]

I have never had any sides from T3 except it made me eat a little bit more. Clen on the other hand is the shit that gives me the shakes, sweety, anxiety and all the good stuff.

[steak]

I am in second week of T3 and Clen. My body temp. is slightly up which is due to thermogen. effect. T3 50mcg/day zclen is 60mcg/day 4 weeks tops. So far it helped me to burn off some fat. For the first time I would experiment with T4, which is milder than
T3. At least I did.

[Hockey265]

I am in second week of T3 and Clen. My body temp. is slightly up which is due to thermogen. effect. T3 50mcg/day zclen is 60mcg/day 4 weeks tops. So far it helped me to burn off some fat. For the first time I would experiment with T4, which is milder than
T3. At least I did.
Its interesting that you bring up T4. No one talks about it. I've been reading medical Journals that discuss different thyroid medications that are both available and being researched and I'm very intrigued. There's some fascinating research being done with thyroid medications that supposedly only attack fat cells. Something like that could be big news to the weight lifting community. Just imagine the possibility of having the fat burning power of T3 with none of the catabolic effects. I'll try to find some of the medical papers online and post them. It's an interesting read.

[brazil]

I took a couple cycles of t-4 @ 300-600 mcg per day and didnt see much. Gave them to friends some felt them. All were bought at pharmacy in brazil. Clen gives me the jitters. I decided to up the t3 to 60mcg tommorow and for duration of tren cycle.

[steak]

I took a couple cycles of t-4 @ 300-600 mcg per day and didnt see much.

are your thyroids still functioning?:eek:

[The BB Monad]

Its interesting that you bring up T4. No one talks about it. I've been reading medical Journals that discuss different thyroid medications that are both available and being researched and I'm very intrigued. There's some fascinating research being done with thyroid medications that supposedly only attack fat cells. Something like that could be big news to the weight lifting community. Just imagine the possibility of having the fat burning power of T3 with none of the catabolic effects. I'll try to find some of the medical papers online and post them. It's an interesting read.

mmm...This would be interesting! Any way, my body reacts brilliantly to T3 and it costs less than a Big Mac Menu for 60tablets of 25mcg so I will stick to what works for me for now. As for it being catabolic, I usually gain mass on cutting cycle from the Prop and Anavar so I've never noticed any catabolic effects.

[Hockey265]

mmm...This would be interesting! Any way, my body reacts brilliantly to T3 and it costs less than a Big Mac Menu for 60tablets of 25mcg so I will stick to what works for me for now. As for it being catabolic, I usually gain mass on cutting cycle from the Prop and Anavar so I've never noticed any catabolic effects.
I'm sorry. I should have said its catabolic when used on its own. Works brilliantly with AAS.

[brazil]

are your thyroids still functioning?:eek:


t-4 is 5-8 times weaker and absorbed badly.

[unclevername]

Good here that worked for you.

I wasn't going to run the T3 too high but if I lose some muscle I won't freak out. I can gain back quick.


The problem when you lose muscle from going catabolic is that your body is indiscriminant about where it takes the muscle from. Meaning you could be damaging your heart when you go catabolic.