no test cycle

[wayman15]

What up guys. I ordered the no test cycle from alin shop. I was wondering what you guys thought bout it. Is there anything else i should add to it? Please let me know. Thanx.

[lunny]

Hey if alin made it then its going to be spot on!!

[lostwars]

no way i do a cycle without test in it..
i believe in running test in every cycle, even a maintenance dose
i know proviron will combat the loss of libdo but id still run some form of test @250mg each wk at least
in a cycle like the one you are going to do,you will have little sides from the compounds u are using
both eq and winny are fairly mild aas,but i believe you will benefit much more from a little test in the cycle
proviron has a great synergie with test and it will also act as an anti estrogen for you therfore combating the unwanted sides of test
theres no one here who will say running test will have a negative impact on the cycle,it will improve youre results no end
if i were to do the cycle i would add sustanon at 500mg awk divided into 2 doses
250mg sust/200mg eq monday morning and thursday night

[LeanMass17]

What up guys. I ordered the no test cycle from alin shop. I was wondering what you guys thought bout it. Is there anything else i should add to it? Please let me know. Thanx.

I personally think its a stupid way to cycle...but if your going to do a no test cycle it probably the best way to go

[lola26]

stats, goals, exp?

[wayman15]

I weigh 155 lbs. I did a mass cycle last summer, but lost all the weight i gained due to not workin out, cuz my job switched me over to nites and messed up my whole routine of eating and workin out. Im not trying to get really huge or anything, im trying to get that lean, ripped look for the spring/summer. I have some 2x 10ml vials of tren. I was thinking of putting some deca in it? Im just trying to get some advice from pros. Thanx.

[lola26]

age?
bf?
ht?
exp? what was your "mass cycle"
how long lifting continuously?

[wayman15]

Im 27, 5'9", dont know body fat %. been lifting for 4 months cont. last cycle, last august.

Wk. 1-4 anapolan 50mg/day
wk. 1-5 sustanon 500mg/week
wk. 5-8 primo. 400mg/week
wk. 4-5/8-10 nolvadex 20mg/day

[lola26]

1. your too light for aas.
2. you have not been lifting long enough for aas.
3. bf is important - but being 155 at 5'9 i am guessing your pretty lean.
4. your last cycle was stupid, just retarded. no pct?
5. your proposed cycle is just as dumb!
6. www.steroidsprofiles.com
7. study up for the next few years.
8. your diet obvisouly sucks - learn to eat properly!
9. i am guessing by the rest of your stats - your training sucks as well.
10. you need to gain 40lbs before aas use.

i think i covered it all.

[wayman15]

yeah thanx.

[lola26]

your welcome.

[Xardas89]

Im 27, 5'9", dont know body fat %. been lifting for 4 months cont. last cycle, last august.


4 months, i dont know if this is your entire "lifting history", but...
dude, i know when i look back two years ago on my training now i can call myself an idiot
just something to think about....

[fr8lnr01]

Weeks 1-10 50mg Proviron Every Day
Weeks 1-10 400mg Eq Per Week
Weeks 5-10 Winstrol 50mg Every Day
PCT
Week 11 40mg Nolvadex/100mg Clomid Every Day
Week 12 30mg Nolvadex/50mg Clomid Every Day
Week 13 20mg Nolvadex/50mg Clomid Every Day
THIS KIT CONTAINS:

4 x PROVIMED 50 mg by Balkan Pharmaceuticals (Size: 20 tabs)
1 xNOLVADEX 10mg by HEXAL (Germany) (Size: 50 tabs)
3 x CLOMID 50mg by EGIS, ************
2 x EQUIPOISE (BOLDENONA-E) 10ml vial by Balkan Pharmaceuticals (Size: 1 vial)
1 x Winstrol (STROMBAFORT) 50 MG by Balkan Pharmaceuticals (Size: 50 tabs)

It is always more fun flaming someone, but I don't think it is necessary.

A lot of guys have strong opinions on testosterone, but everyone reacts differently to AAS. Go ahead with the cycle; if this is the one you got. You will definitely get great results. If you want to get a little crazy, drop the EQ and use the tren-e. If it is tren acetate run it at the beginning concurrently at 1ml EOD before the EQ (2ml EW) gets to work.

...and like lola said, your last cycle was stupid.

You should really concern yourself with going to the gym steadily. I don't think you are too light; you might not be getting big because you are lacking in production. Who knows, who cares, we are not not doctors and this shit is all for fun.

[wayman15]

Its not tren-a, its tren retard from alin shop. any suggestions?

[DEADBOLT]

Do the cycle! I don't think there is anything rong with doing a cycle before "your ready" but if you do it, dedicate yourself to it. Personally I would ad test, It seems like a lot of newbies read the steroid profiles for test and freak the fuck out because of the sides it lists. Eat big, train hard, and you'll hit he beach lookin like a million bucks.

[fr8lnr01]

Tren-retard is the same as tren enanthate. Drop the EQ and use the tren at 2ml a week. You have some experience but I will still remind you, juice doesn't make you bigger dedication does.

[lola26]

Do the cycle! I don't think there is anything rong with doing a cycle before "your ready" but if you do it, dedicate yourself to it. Personally I would ad test, It seems like a lot of newbies read the steroid profiles for test and freak the fuck out because of the sides it lists. Eat big, train hard, and you'll hit he beach lookin like a million bucks.



????

i disagree with just about everything you said.

[fr8lnr01]

Wayman.
What do you have on hand and what do you have on order.

[wayman15]

I have on order Sust. Tren, Eq, Winni.

[mccollumstacy]

There is a problem with cycling before you are ready. Not that the aas is going to kill you just because you aren't 235 or something - but - most newbies jump into aas without having training, diet, ex nailed down - the results are not what they were expecting, leaving them to try bigger, more ridiculous cycles - when the compounds selected would have done the job if all else was in line. I have a friend of a friend kind of thing with this dude who approached me about aas. This kid has the potential to be freaky kind of cut from sheer genetics - but - he wants to be "big big" - I think thats how he put it. He is 175 pds now and lean at 6'1 - no training experience, shitty diet in that he doesn't know how to eat properly - but he is convinced he needs aas. I gave him the spill and tried to encourage him to dedicate himself to the weights for a year and then we'd talk again - but he is doing it with or without my help. I put him onto a local guy for a couple items and told him how to run them. I was going to have him run Test @ 500 wk and dbol for 4 weeks at 30 ed. Well - someone told him about how big he could get on dbol so he dumped all he had into it and no test. He's running dbol at like 80-100 ed and training with 15 pd DB's. I washed my hands of him and told him that any advice he got from me would only be after started back at square 1. Oh - He drinks like a fish and is on Meth - I just found this out. I feel like you need to try to steer these guys the right way and then leave them alone when they ignore sound advice - at this point they are in need approval and attention only. Maybe some of these guys is who the mods need to clean up on IMO.

[LeanMass17]

I have on order Sust. Tren, Eq, Winni.

I don't understand anything about this thread....why do you have Sust if you are doing a no test cycle???? My advice is to man up and start pinning some test and only test, your certainly not ready for Tren. If you think I am just being a dick and you want to shoot Tren anyway explain to me what progesterone gyno is and how to get rid of it should you start to show symptoms.....Read and clean up your diet...your way underweight and uninformed....I'm just saying this so you dont hurt yourself bro..I think you could still do a cycle in the next 4 months if you are dedicated and arm yourself with knowledge

Week1-10 500mg of Sust or Test E. or Test C.

Week 12 40mg Nolvadex/100mg Clomid Every Day
Week 13 30mg Nolvadex/50mg Clomid Every Day
Week 14 20mg Nolvadex/50mg Clomid Every Day
Week 15 20mg Nolvadex/50mg Clomid Every Day

[fr8lnr01]

If these guys are buying Alin Cycles then let them run with them. If they want to switch some stuff up, then give them sound advice. This guy had decent questions from the get go, but at this point I am having a hard time following his idea.

I would like some one to explain to me where the laws are regarding which to use first. We are all pretty hard headed when it comes to what we want to do and we'll end up doing it regardless of the suggestions given to us. You know he is going to do it... he ordered it already, or already has it on hand, I can't follow him at this point.

Does it matter what beer you try first? Bud, Miller, Grolsch, Heineken?

I agree with trying test first and then adding to it in subsequent cycles. As you can see this guy went balls to the wall on the first one and screwed that one up.

EQ and Deca run for 12 weeks.
Test run for two weeks more than nandrolones.
Tren run for 6-8 weeks, no more, too liver toxic(now that it is made cleanly, who knows).
Run test with tren for full ten to twelve weeks, but stop the tren at 6-8 weeks.
Short esters are for cutting.
Long esters are for bulking.
Still, after years of research, nobody can figure out what test blends(sust) are for.
Serms stop estrogen from binding to certain receptors(mammary).
AI's stop estrogen from occurring all together.
HCG will get your balls going and only serves to remind them of their function.
Most pills are methylated and are super harsh on your liver.
After years of reading I still don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.
Lola is always angry.

[wayman15]

dude the reason why im putting test in it is cuz you guys said it would be a good idea, so im doing it. second, im not trying to go all contest or anything like that. Also, i know im not going to get huge on aas. Im going to do the cycle anyways, I thank you guys for the advice i really appreciate it! I just want some sound advice on how i should do it. Like said it's all for fun! I'll tell you whats coming in the mail. thanx!

2x Sustmed 250 10ml.
2x Tren Enanthate 10ml.
2x Eq. 10ml
1 x Winstrol (STROMBAFORT) 50 MG by Balkan Pharmaceuticals (Size: 50 tabs
4 x PROVIMED 50 mg by Balkan Pharmaceuticals (Size: 20 tabs)
1 xNOLVADEX 10mg by HEXAL (Germany) (Size: 50 tabs)
3 x CLOMID 50mg by EGIS, ************

Thats what i'll have on hand. any sugg?

[lowep3]

I see you have Nolva but that's not gonna help during your cycle sine you're running tren. You might want to look into getting some cabergoline even though you're going to be running winny. You also will need an AI on hand like letro or arimidex since you're going to add test.

[wayman15]

fr8lnr01. You said to drop the eq. and use the tren at 2ml/ week? So it would go like this, right?

1-10 sust. 500mg/week
1-10 tren. 200mg/week
1-10 proviron 50mg/day
5-10 winni. 50mg/day

PCT?

[fr8lnr01]

I personally feel you will get good results at that level. Run the standard PCT afterwards. Some guys will tell you not to run the tren for more than 6-8 weeks. This cycle should give you clean bulk. You may want to get some letrozol, aromasin, arimidex, but you may do well with the proviron.

[SteroidalTendency]

ive never run tren but i have seen a freind do his injections a hundred times, and he was having no fun a few times saying to me before the needle was even out of his ass, "shit here it comes, my face is getting numb" I dont want to scare you man but i think you should not try tren yet, i mean you were afraid to run test, now tren???

whatever

[SwoleTexasKid]

dude the reason why im putting test in it is cuz you guys said it would be a good idea, so im doing it. second, im not trying to go all contest or anything like that. Also, i know im not going to get huge on aas. Im going to do the cycle anyways, I thank you guys for the advice i really appreciate it! I just want some sound advice on how i should do it. Like said it's all for fun! I'll tell you whats coming in the mail. thanx!

2x Sustmed 250 10ml.
2x Tren Enanthate 10ml.
2x Eq. 10ml
1 x Winstrol (STROMBAFORT) 50 MG by Balkan Pharmaceuticals (Size: 50 tabs
4 x PROVIMED 50 mg by Balkan Pharmaceuticals (Size: 20 tabs)
1 xNOLVADEX 10mg by HEXAL (Germany) (Size: 50 tabs)
3 x CLOMID 50mg by EGIS, ************

Thats what i'll have on hand. any sugg?

I would save the Eq and Run

Sustamed 500mg wk 1-10
Tren E 300mg wk 1-10
50mg Winstrol ED wk 5-10
50mg Proviron ED WK 1-10
Save the rest.

Tren E is really potent, I ran it at 400mg last time but got some nasty sides.

[SteroidalTendency]

oh ya tren e, well at least its not tren ace which would be every other day, still, i think you should go test only, you said the first masss cylce you tried you lost everything and i hear gains from tren e are hard to keep.

[SwoleTexasKid]

oh ya tren e, well at least its not tren ace which would be every other day, still, i think you should go test only, you said the first masss cylce you tried you lost everything and i hear gains from tren e are hard to keep.

They are. My ten week adventure with Tren E 200 at 400mg a week blew me up huge, then I watched it all melt away in PCT. :mad:

Some people use it and keep the results. Everyone responds differently.

[DEADBOLT]

????

i disagree with just about everything you said.

Who determines who is right for AAS, are you a pro athlete? where do you draw the line? will it kill him because he's not big enough?

[Leo86]

fr8lnr01. You said to drop the eq. and use the tren at 2ml/ week? So it would go like this, right?

1-10 sust. 500mg/week
1-10 tren. 200mg/week
1-10 proviron 50mg/day
5-10 winni. 50mg/day

PCT?

I can chime in here since when I first joined this forum I was not planning on running any kind of test. But after more research and talking to many guys on here with many cycles under their belt, I've decided to try out the test and see how it goes. If your afraid to run it cuz of all the possible sides, you can get just run like some others said at a moderate dose of 200mg to 250mg for 10 weeks and see how your body reacts to it. There is no doubt in my mind if you ran it esp. that low you will have NO problems. Plus being 5'9 at only 155lbs sounds like you have a lower bf which means you could possibly less prone to gyno. I will be running around 500mg of test c for 10 weeks with a 4 week d-bol kickstart for my first aas cycle and I look forward to it. forget the tren and use the EQ instead since this is only your second cycle. You will have all the time in the world to run tren later on in future cycles if you choose to. If I were you I would take the EQ instead cuz you need to eat and put on some more weight and EQ brings up your appetite. Not sure if you already bought the sustanon but since your new to cycling I'd run the test c or test e before sustanon. my .02 cents

[wayman15]

Well if i have the a-dex how will I run it with the cycle?

[Leo86]

Well if i have the a-dex how will I run it with the cycle?

Honestly I have it too, but I dont plan to use it for my first cycle. You should not need the a-dex if your only gonna do up to 250mg a week. I'm not sure if this is your first time running test cuz if your lean with a low bf you probably won't even need it and if you decide to use it the only thing it might do is hinder your gains. I feel its best to see how your body intially reacts to the test without using an AI such as a-dex. But if your really paranoid and you have your mind set on running it I would do either .125mg ED or .25mg ED. Go with the lower dose then if you feel you need more then just up it to .25mg ED. Run it throughout your whole cycle all the way up to pct.

[lola26]

I weigh 155 lbs. I did a mass cycle last summer, but lost all the weight i gained due to not workin out, cuz my job switched me over to nites and messed up my whole routine of eating and workin out. Im not trying to get really huge or anything, im trying to get that lean, ripped look for the spring/summer. I have some 2x 10ml vials of tren. I was thinking of putting some deca in it? Im just trying to get some advice from pros. Thanx.

Im 27, 5'9", dont know body fat %. been lifting for 4 months cont. last cycle, last august.

Wk. 1-4 anapolan 50mg/day
wk. 1-5 sustanon 500mg/week
wk. 5-8 primo. 400mg/week
wk. 4-5/8-10 nolvadex 20mg/day

Who determines who is right for AAS, are you a pro athlete? where do you draw the line? will it kill him because he's not big enough?

deadbolt - look up at this guys previous posts, does it sound like he is ready for another cycle? let alone a tren, no test, bla bla bla cycle! listen, i will not promote someone to hurt themselves. only lifting for 4 months and using gear right out of the gate is begging for an injury. the guy being only 155lbs after his "mass" cycle does mean something. it means he doesnt diet or train correctly which could lead to other problems.

you have made several negative comments to me and have given bad advise on this board on multiple occasions. if you dont have anything constructive to say............................................... ...............................:cool:

[Tyrone]

In all totality, Fr8ln and lola are right on in this thread. If I had posted earlier, I'd advise NO aas until the kid had enough WEIGHT TRAINING. You can't grow with out it LOL. Make sure the kid is of age and training with actual weights...Then let him see how a single estered Testosterone works...Only then can you start to build not only muscle but knowledge as to how your body works and reacts.

[wayman15]

Thanx guys for all the advice.

[lostwars]

dont forget less is more..
you will pack on nice size with the sust and eq
maybe run the winny tabs for the last 4wks but u should keep them till l8r cycle
the proviron will work as an anti estrogen A1 if u stack the two compounds above
best of luck and stay safe

[juced_porkchop]

What up guys. I ordered the no test cycle from alin shop. I was wondering what you guys thought bout it. Is there anything else i should add to it? Please let me know. Thanx.

so you orderd it and then reserch it?!? wtf!?!

obviously your getting flamed on hear and i havent even red any of the others post's.
this is comming froma guy that dosn't like test. but u rilly need to learn and not be dumb with your body. and tren is umm welll can have alot of sides. i have been reading up up about every aas for yrs and havent done tren yet "i might" but point being LEARN WUT THE FUK YOUR DOING BEFORE U GO AND DO IT.
eg. i ordered and now want to know if its good?? wtf.
would you buy a house and then go look inside to see if you like it and made a good call.