First cycle last min questions

[Leo86]

Well thanks to alin and this forum's advice for about a month I will be starting my first cycle soon. Ordered the stuff about a week ago and should be here within the next couple weeks hopefully. Thought I'd get some feedback on my cycle.

Stats: 21 yrs old, around 5% bodyfat, 5'11, 190 lbs

Weeks 1-10: 500mg of Test C (250 mon and 250 thurs)
Weeks 1-4: 30mg of D-bol ED
Weeks 1-10: a-dex .25mg EOD
Weeks 13-15: standard nolva/clomid pct

Not sure if it would be better to start pct at week 12 or 13?
Got mixed answers about how much liv52 to take? ranging from 2 tabs ED to 6 tabs ED
Unfortuanely I dont have any HCG so hopefully the pct will run smoothly and balls will be okay.

[flatblack]

approx. 18 days after yer last injection......

[Leo86]

start pct 2 weeks after your last inject. i take 3 or 4 tabs of liv52 a day.

approx. 18 days after yer last injection......

flatback wasnt there some site you posted on this forum about when to start pct? I think you got it from drob. I was thinking about running 4-6 tabs of liv52 the four weeks with the d-bol then going down to like 2-4 tabs when I stop the d-bol. Sound good?
Does the AI dosage look good? I do have a low bf% so I wasnt sure if .125mg EOD would be better.

[flatblack]

flatback wasnt there some site you posted on this forum about when to start pct? I think you got it from drob. I was thinking about running 4-6 tabs of liv52 the four weeks with the d-bol then going down to like 2-4 tabs when I stop the d-bol. Sound good?
Does the AI dosage look good? I do have a low bf% so I wasnt sure if .125mg EOD would be better.

yeah, and it turned out to be worthless...drob ran a few simple cycles using the pct calculator and he said they didnt come out right...i'll give u the link tho if u wanna try it yerself...http://www.bulkmuscle.com/forum/

i would run the a-dex at .25mgs daily, not eod due to its short half life........

[jchh]

Drop the A-dex..If your BF is that low you shouldnt have to worry too much about sides, all you will do is hinder your gains. Start running it only if you run into any problems. Just my two cents

[flatblack]

Drop the A-dex..If your BF is that low you shouldnt have to worry too much about sides, all you will do is hinder your gains. Start running it only if you run into any problems. Just my two cents

bump that, prolly wont even need it....good not to run the a.i. yer 1st cycle anyway just to see how yer body reacts to the test and test aromatization alone.........

[Leo86]

bump that, prolly wont even need it....good not to run the a.i. yer 1st cycle anyway just to see how yer body reacts to the test and test aromatization alone.........

Yeah that was what I was thinking, but I read where some guys ran .125mg (half pill) ED or EOD for their first cycle and I thought you could run it EOD cuz the half-life for a-dex is around 3 days?
But if i do notice sides I read that it would be better to use the nolva instead of a-dex since it takes like a week for the a-dex to kick in right? Not sure if I should drop the a-dex or run .125mg a-dex ED. Need to check sure how much extra nolva I have, but I like the idea of seeing for the first time if I won't even get gyno without using an ai.

[flatblack]

Yeah that was what I was thinking, but I read where some guys ran .125mg (half pill) ED or EOD for their first cycle and I thought you could run it EOD?
But if i do notice sides I read that it would be better to use the nolva instead of a-dex since it takes like a week for the a-dex to kick in right? Not sure if I should drop the a-dex or run .125mg a-dex ED. Need to check sure how much extra nolva I have, but I like the idea of seeing for the first time if I won't even get gyno without using an ai.

actually letro is better for getting rid of estrogen based gyno, but some do have good results jacking up on nolvadex..i'd run the letro if i had it tho and use the nolva for pct whenever possible...ive been running test e and EQ for over 16 weeks now and only felt a little nipple sensitivity after the 2nd week or so and that was in very cold weather...it went a way on its own and i have no gyno symptoms...i would suggest u wait n see if u need it but if u wanna be safe, go ahead n run it...i dont think .125 mgs eod will do much tho... .25mgs ed is really a low dose in itself as some suggest .50mgs ed on cycle............

[goalie]

I ran that exact same cycle basically except with test-e instead of c. I started to feel a little sore around the nipples around 2 weeks, so i started the a-dex at (.125) ed then after it felt fine kept it going at (.125) eod. Cycle looks good other than that, good luck!

[Leo86]

actually letro is better for getting rid of estrogen based gyno, but some do have good results jacking up on nolvadex..i'd run the letro if i had it tho and use the nolva for pct whenever possible...ive been running test e and EQ for over 16 weeks now and only felt a little nipple sensitivity after the 2nd week or so and that was in very cold weather...it went a way on its own and i have no gyno symptoms...i would suggest u wait n see if u need it but if u wanna be safe, go ahead n run it...i dont think .125 mgs eod will do much tho... .25mgs ed is really a low dose in itself as some suggest .50mgs ed on cycle............

Okay thanks for the advice. What doses of the test e and EQ have you been taking? I take it in the future if I ran letro its similar to running a-dex throughout the whole cycle. I'm not sure what I'm gonna do. I might just leave the ai out of this cycle to see how my body reacts cuz I should have some extra nolva on hand just in case for both on-cycle and p-cycle or I'm gonna do the .25mg ED of a-dex. Didnt know letro was better than a-dex.

[flatblack]

Okay thanks for the advice. What doses of the test e and EQ have you been taking? I take it in the future if I ran letro its similar to running a-dex throughout the whole cycle. I'm not sure what I'm gonna do. I might just leave the ai out of this cycle to see how my body reacts cuz I should have some extra nolva on hand just in case for both on-cycle and p-cycle or I'm gonna do the .25mg ED of a-dex. Didnt know letro was better than a-dex.

a-dex is better to run thru the cycle as an a.i., but letro is much better at getting rid of existing gyno as its much stronger and inhibits up to 90-95% of aromatized esrogen in the body...a-dex inhibits approx. 60%...the body needs some estrogen to produce lean muscle gains...too much and u could halt yer gains entirely....i'm running 500mgs test and 400mgs EQ....1st cycle i've done in over 2 years so keeping it basic.............

[Leo86]

a-dex is better to run thru the cycle as an a.i., but letro is much better at getting rid of existing gyno as its much stronger and inhibits up to 90-95% of aromatized esrogen in the body...a-dex inhibits approx. 60%...the body needs some estrogen to produce lean muscle gains...too much and u could halt yer gains entirely....i'm running 500mgs test and 400mgs EQ....1st cycle i've done in over 2 years so keeping it basic.............

Interesting. I like that cycle you got. Definitely will try EQ one of these days. I'm gonna read up on the letro and see what its all about. Hey flat u ran hcg before and/or ever not run it in a cycle?

[flatblack]

Interesting. I like that cycle you got. Definitely will try EQ one of these days. I'm gonna read up on the letro and see what its all about. Hey flat u ran hcg before and/or ever not run it in a cycle?

well, i have run it b4 in past cycles but not this one tho i prolly should have...i'm 43, dont plan on having kids and dont care if my nuts dont swing:D...as long as the pipe in the middle is good to go, then so am i:)

[Leo86]

well, i have run it b4 in past cycles but not this one tho i prolly should have...i'm 43, dont plan on having kids and dont care if my nuts dont swing:D...as long as the pipe in the middle is good to go, then so am i:)

I hear ya the pipe is all you really need:D So with the letro is it best to just start taking it if side effects start to happen instead of running it during the whole cycle? I read a little bit about it and it was saying like taking letro .25mg a day.

[ojs]

Well thanks to alin and this forum's advice for about a month I will be starting my first cycle soon. Ordered the stuff about a week ago and should be here within the next couple weeks hopefully. Thought I'd get some feedback on my cycle.

Stats: 21 yrs old, around 5% bodyfat, 5'11, 190 lbs

Weeks 1-10: 500mg of Test C (250 mon and 250 thurs)
Weeks 1-4: 30mg of D-bol ED
Weeks 1-10: a-dex .25mg EOD
Weeks 13-15: standard nolva/clomid pct

Not sure if it would be better to start pct at week 12 or 13?
Got mixed answers about how much liv52 to take? ranging from 2 tabs ED to 6 tabs ED
Unfortuanely I dont have any HCG so hopefully the pct will run smoothly and balls will be okay.

Off topic, but can you post a picture? I want to see what 5% looks like. I've never been that low before except for a couple of days leading up to competition. I think it would be extremely cool to see what someone casually walking around that lean looks like. Hell, I'm only about 9% bodyfat in my avatar.

[flatblack]

I hear ya the pipe is all you really need:D So with the letro is it best to just start taking it if side effects start to happen instead of running it during the whole cycle? I read a little bit about it and it was saying like taking letro .25mg a day.

no, letro is the big gun u wanna save for real problems, namely reversal of existing gyno...actually the best a.i. imho is aromasin...do some quick research on that...u won't find anything but good reports on that stuff..........

[Leo86]

Off topic, but can you post a picture? I want to see what 5% looks like. I've never been that low before except for a couple of days leading up to competition. I think it would be extremely cool to see what someone casually walking around that lean looks like. Hell, I'm only about 9% bodyfat in my avatar.

I would and blur the face but I got all these tattoos over my body and I'm paranoid that If i post myself on the internet like that cuz of all the police that snoop around these forums. I can get identified really easily even if I blur the face. Ill think about it.

[Xardas89]

yeah, i bet the cops are dying till someone posts a pic here, so they can start looking for ya...
Dude, seriously, post a pic...

[ojs]

I would and blur the face but I got all these tattoos over my body and I'm paranoid that If i post myself on the internet like that cuz of all the police that snoop around these forums. I can get identified really easily even if I blur the face. Ill think about it.Are you dealing drugs or something? Why would they care about you?

[Xardas89]

Are you dealing drugs or something? Why would they care about you?

BUMP :D

[flatblack]

yeah, i bet the cops are dying till someone posts a pic here, so they can start looking for ya...
Dude, seriously, post a pic...well ojs is fucked for sure then...but i heard they really only go after dudes wearing belly shirts:D

Are you dealing drugs or something? Why would they care about you?

i thought the same thing...is that tv show "americas most wanted" still on??...hahaha

[lola26]

or 5% is really 25%?????????????????????

[ojs]

or 5% is really 25%?????????????????????No shame there if it was just a typo. It's cool!! Right?

[Xardas89]

...but i heard they really only go after dudes wearing belly shirts:D


yeah, by now prolly every cop in jersey is looking for yer ass lol :D:D:D

[lola26]

hahaha

[lola26]

man... oj you are in fucking great shape!!!! keep up the good work!

[Leo86]

or 5% is really 25%?????????????????????

No my bf is low at around 5%. no typo. I just get paranoid about posting pics of myself over the internet but I'll think about. Maybe Im over-reacting.

[Xardas89]

I bet by now the cops have enough on you already... i mean not too many guys are 5% bf lol

[ojs]

... i mean not too many guys are 5% bf lolYup! ...that's a dead give away. You're a cooked goose my friend....

[SteroidalTendency]

man... oj you are in fucking great shape!!!! keep up the good work!

ya, big bump bro, your the new standard, i mean, im shooting for your physique when im 55 for sure. Stay young my friend, enjoy all your posts

[Leo86]

a-dex is better to run thru the cycle as an a.i., but letro is much better at getting rid of existing gyno as its much stronger and inhibits up to 90-95% of aromatized esrogen in the body...a-dex inhibits approx. 60%...the body needs some estrogen to produce lean muscle gains...too much and u could halt yer gains entirely....i'm running 500mgs test and 400mgs EQ....1st cycle i've done in over 2 years so keeping it basic.............


Since it's my first cycle I'm gonna see how my body reacts without using an ai during the cycle like you suggested earlier. I don't have letro so a-dex and nolva is all I'm working with if I notice sides. I have some extra nolva that I can use if I start to notice gyno sides BUT my question is I hear that it takes about a week for a-dex to fully kick in. So if I start to notice gyno sides should I start taking (.125mg or .25mg a-dex)? with 40mg of nolva then drop the nolva after a week and just continue the a-dex for the rest of the cycle till pct? Or would I be okay to just start running the a-dex without the nolva if I start to notice gyno sides.

[flatblack]

Since it's my first cycle I'm gonna see how my body reacts without using an ai during the cycle like you suggested earlier. I don't have letro so a-dex and nolva is all I'm working with if I notice sides. I have some extra nolva that I can use if I start to notice gyno sides BUT my question is I hear that it takes about a week for a-dex to fully kick in. So if I start to notice gyno sides should I start taking (.125mg or .25mg a-dex)? with 40mg of nolva then drop the nolva after a week and just continue the a-dex for the rest of the cycle till pct? Or would I be okay to just start running the a-dex without the nolva if I start to notice gyno sides.

ok, i really dont remember what yer runnning on this cycle but generally speaking, do not run an a.i. with a serm(nolva) in this case...the serm will block the effectiveness of the a.i. is the short answer to that...if u start feeling a little sensitivity in the nipple area around the 2nd week, dont get all nuts...i usually feel that n it goes away on its own...but if u start feeling some real soreness, puffiness around the nipple or an actual lump forming, start running the adex at .5mgs daily and taper it up to 1mg. continuing until yer gyno symptoms are gone, then taper back down to .5 mgs the rest of the cycle and right into yer pct...start running the nolva immediately after to combat the estrogen rebound thats bound to occur from running the adex at a high dose........

[Leo86]

ok, i really dont remember what yer runnning on this cycle but generally speaking, do not run an a.i. with a serm(nolva) in this case...the serm will block the effectiveness of the a.i. is the short answer to that...if u start feeling a little sensitivity in the nipple area around the 2nd week, dont get all nuts...i usually feel that n it goes away on its own...but if u start feeling some real soreness, puffiness around the nipple or an actual lump forming, start running the adex at .5mgs daily and taper it up to 1mg. continuing until yer gyno symptoms are gone, then taper back down to .5 mgs the rest of the cycle and right into yer pct...start running the nolva immediately after to combat the estrogen rebound thats bound to occur from running the adex at a high dose........

okay man thanks for the tip. Probably won't have to worry about the gyno but before I start my cycle just wanna make sure I prepare for the worst case scenerio and expect the best. Thanks