The newbie

[Big_g]

Hey there, I was looking for a little advice about which cycle to start off with I purchased the newbie gold. I was wondering if I should of started with the newbie #1 silver or will I be good with the gold or am I over doing it... Any insight would be great.. Thanks

[jchh]

I dont know the shops cycles by heart but I think most here would agree that Test only is more than enough for a first cycle..Take it one compound at a time and see how you react.

Anyways whats your Stats goals and training history?

[lola26]

stats, goals, exp????

[Big_g]

I was thinking the same thing. Just the test the first time around what would you recomend to go with it as far as anti estrogens and Pct? Stats. 5'-9" 151lbs all Muscle Trying to bulk up a get some meat. I work out 4 days a week on a bulk workout I eat my body weight in protein. 3 years expereince lifting on and off back at the gym steady last three months..

[Big_g]

mass building work out

[Martek]

Heres the problem, you said you wanted advice on which cycle you should start with, and then you said you already ordered one??? that right there says it all man...

Lola will say you are too light as well, and your age, please dont say 18-19-20, too young man. But welcome to the Board dude.

[lola26]

age????

[Martek]

age????

I read your freakin mind bro, I knew age was missing. But also, I think 151 at 5'9 isn't enough for the cycle

[Big_g]

age is 31

[lunny]

5'9" 151!!!! Think you need to workout a little harder and eat more before you step into the AAS world!!!

[Big_g]

The reason I was asking is cause I can still use the contents of the gold cycle for a Test only cycle. I just wanted someone else's opinion...

[Martek]

The reason I was asking is cause I can still use the contents of the gold cycle for a Test only cycle. I just wanted someone else's opinion...

ok well in all honesty if you want to do a cycle and you are of age as I can see, just do the test only cycle. Screw the other compounds for your next cycle... save it.

[Martek]

Lunny, get off my thread dude, I saw THIS first!!!! :P

[lola26]

too small
no knowledge of aas

[lunny]

Lunny, get off my thread dude, I saw THIS first!!!! :P

Its all yours nothing else needs to be said!!! :D:D

too small
no knowledge of aas

Bump lola!!!

[SwoleTexasKid]

Sup bro welcome to Alinboard.

The Newbie Gold would be great for you since you have already ordered it.

Test E and Equipoise is what I started with and I had great results.

You need nolvadex and clomid for pct, but if you have ordered the cycle then it comes with it.

[Big_g]

Thanks for all the imput. I'm not in any hurry, just looking to do it right. Thanks for all the insight. Thanks Martek great information and everyone else as well.. So what would be a good starting weight..

[Martek]

Thanks for all the imput. I'm not in any hurry, just looking to do it right. Thanks for all the insight. Thanks Martek great information and everyone else as well.. So what would be a good starting weight..

i knwo im gonna be ripped in half for this, but 5'9" i'd say 165 and about a year straight in the gym to get those year results all natty goin..

[Big_g]

Thats pretty much what I was going to do I just wanted a second opinion from someone with a first hand expereince. You can do so much research but, there's a-lot of contraversy just as on this thread. So what would be a good weight to set as a goal before starting...

[SwoleTexasKid]

Thanks for all the imput. I'm not in any hurry, just looking to do it right. Thanks for all the insight. Thanks Martek great information and everyone else as well.. So what would be a good starting weight..

I was 160 lbs when I started. I am 5'9

Put on about ten or fifteen pounds atleast.

These guys on here are a bunch of crazy fucks just ignore them :D

[Big_g]

good looking out swoleTexaskid

[Big_g]

What where your gains during your cycle and how much of that did you keep after pct

[SwoleTexasKid]

What where your gains during your cycle and how much of that did you keep after pct

I gained about 25 pounds and kept about 18. I completely transformed my body though, my back widen and my chest spread and my biceps filled out.

The first cycle is always the best. You really need to learn how to eat big first though. Do some research.

[trickk034]

The gold cycle was amazing for me while it lasted. I would definitely recommend it to someone who is diehard in the gym and who has done enough research to understand AAS. I'm gonna do the gold cycle again for my second cycle...just with a little extra sugar n spice on top of its fantastified amazingness

[lunny]

The first cycle is always the best. You really need to learn how to eat big first though. Do some research.

Might be the smartest thing i have read all day!!! bump this!!

[FordTurboDiesel]

Im thinking 160's as well.

Education is easy as long as you keep the cycle easy. Putting into your body what it already makes to see how you react is the way to go IMO.
My first cycle was the same as Martek's and we did it at the same time. He gained 28lbs (or something like that) and I gained next to nothing. He was eating pretzels and funyuns and gained all that weight. I was eating steaks and chicken and all kinds of shit.

Both of us had good results. We both learned how our body's react to this compund!
Thats the point of a first cycle being a Test only.
I personally wouldn't do EQ on the first cycle. Maybe you will make great gains, but I personally like adding slowly to find out what compunds benefit you and what one's dont.
It's about learning at this point. Your first cycle you want to turn into a monster, but sometimes you need to just step back and say.....you know what.....I could really fuck myself up if I don't go slow at first and see what happens.

[Siegfried]

5'9" 151!!!! Think you need to workout a little harder and eat more before you step into the AAS world!!!


I think knowledge and experience in training is more important than weight, a 160 lbs guy whit a year of reseach who gained 30 lbs naturally is gonna have way better results than a 200 lbs genetically gifted whit no research and experience

also if he is 5'3" 150 lbs is not that bad he is almost midget size so 150 lbs is ok

[jchh]

I was only 160-65 when I started but Im only 5'6''. So I wont say dont do it, but I will say make sure you have your training and diet in order! It is the most important part..IMO you should put some size on natty first because I believe at 59 and 150 you dont have it all together. Plus the more muscle you put on the more places youll have to inject:D

[Martek]

I know when I was even 140lbs I was still jacked looking! It all depends on experience, diet and how consistent you have been. i always said "F Steroids" until I have been working out for over 3-4 years and eating well and taking a shit load of different supplements. that was the best ever, taking supplements... man those were the days. :P

[flart]

People here are pretty cool - I mean...it's really a community and no one wants to see anyone else hurt themselves or bring bad press to AAS use (like there isn't enough already)

I'm 5'10 170lbs...pretty lean...4 pack anyway...and I'm jumpin' in. Got my pre cycle blood work done, getting myself into the right eating routine (that's painful), and doing a lot of compound lifts that require balance to get these tendons in shape for the punishment I'll put them through over 12 weeks...

I mean I could wait another year...put on another 15 lbs...but seriously...I want it now...

And I've seen first hand what test alone can do - I saw my friend's body completely change....and he hasn't looked back....amazing really...but he worked like a dog and still does...

Anyway...read, ask questions, be safe, and get big (at least that's what I've gathered from the more experienced on here)

[trickk034]

nice flart i like that. That's a real thought right there.

[Martek]

People here are pretty cool - I mean...it's really a community and no one wants to see anyone else hurt themselves or bring bad press to AAS use (like there isn't enough already)

I'm 5'10 170lbs...pretty lean...4 pack anyway...and I'm jumpin' in. Got my pre cycle blood work done, getting myself into the right eating routine (that's painful), and doing a lot of compound lifts that require balance to get these tendons in shape for the punishment I'll put them through over 12 weeks...

I mean I could wait another year...put on another 15 lbs...but seriously...I want it now...

And I've seen first hand what test alone can do - I saw my friend's body completely change....and he hasn't looked back....amazing really...but he worked like a dog and still does...

Anyway...read, ask questions, be safe, and get big (at least that's what I've gathered from the more experienced on here)

Just how I did it.. the Iranians just blew me up!!

[flart]

Just how I did it.. the Iranians just blew me up!!

I missed out on the iranians....but hopefully the 4 weeks of naposim, and 12 weeks of bp test-e will get me nice and full...

I just spent a shit load of money on suits....and asked for a larger collar size and an extra inch on the waist...

Salesman looked at me like I was an idiot....he's like...your neck won't grow son.....and I looked at him all serious and said...."wanna bet...just sell me what I want"...

[Martek]

I missed out on the iranians....but hopefully the 4 weeks of naposim, and 12 weeks of bp test-e will get me nice and full...

I just spent a shit load of money on suits....and asked for a larger collar size and an extra inch on the waist...

Salesman looked at me like I was an idiot....he's like...your neck won't grow son.....and I looked at him all serious and said...."wanna bet...just sell me what I want"...

Yeah the Iranians were the best, do they not sell those anymore? LOL @ what u said to the sales man... yeah your neck will grow, in fact, mine grew over an inch on cycle.. I used to have these nice dress shirts and then once buttoned up off cycle i was like, okay.. fits... then months later, BAM, I couldn't even get close to buttoning it... to this day im still not able to fit in them lol

[flart]

Dunno is the iranian stuff's still available...went with what is...BP Test-E 250...

My wife was with me at the store when I was getting fitted for the suits...she just shook her head...I mean the salesman really kept insisting that my neck would not change quickly enough to justify buying a shirt that had an inch of slack around the neck...

Hoping to get to 190+ on after cycle...we'll see...

[Martek]

Dunno is the iranian stuff's still available...went with what is...BP Test-E 250...

My wife was with me at the store when I was getting fitted for the suits...she just shook her head...I mean the salesman really kept insisting that my neck would not change quickly enough to justify buying a shirt that had an inch of slack around the neck...

Hoping to get to 190+ on after cycle...we'll see...

yeah he just doesn't think you are involved of AAS well too bad, we are and if we change in 3-4 weeks then damnit we will. LOL!!!

[No-Go]

please dont say 20, too young man

I disagree but thats because im that age

[Martek]

I disagree but thats because im that age

I think 20 is still young for it. At age 20, I was doing Supplments and still working out on the body. Who knows, maybe this is a contribution to why my genetics rank high... But 20 is pushing it. I'd say 22-23 is a nice start.

[flart]

I'd hold off at twenty...

Shit....I had so much natural test ripping through my system at 20 that I would pop wood spontaniously...

It's your body dude....just read and understand what consequences you may face moving forward....and don't think "it can't happen to me".....it can and will....

My .02 cents

[No-Go]

I think 20 is still young for it. At age 20, I was doing Supplments and still working out on the body. Who knows, maybe this is a contribution to why my genetics rank high... But 20 is pushing it. I'd say 22-23 is a nice start.

I think if you realise the risks and have a solid understanding of the way steroids work and the effects they have i don't see the real problem. Obviously at 18 there are going to be issues. At 20 although in general your Test is going to be higher than someone older there is no real difference from someone who is slightly older and taking AAS, you are supplementing your natural test for more synthetic test?? Unless at 20 you are producing over 500mgs per week in test whats wrong? If you understand PCT and have a thorough understanding of how to recover your HPTA as quick as possible there shouldn't be any long lasting effects that would be any different from if you were to take it at 23 or 24?

[Xardas89]

I disagree but thats because im that age

BUMP same here
at 20 you should be able to make this kind of decision... and im sorry if im hijacking the thread, but i dont think so far anyone ive talked to about this could clearly explain just exactly why it is a bad idea (besides the usual "you're young and stupid and dont know how to train, eat and sleep")
you can have all the natural test you want, but it still doesnt come close to even a small dose aas can give you
plus i believe it would be easier to keep what you gained on cycle when you're younger i have done one cycle with no pct( 8 week test p and var) and went from 200 to 225 and lost about 10lbs afterwards...

[Martek]

I think if you realise the risks and have a solid understanding of the way steroids work and the effects they have i don't see the real problem. Obviously at 18 there are going to be issues. At 20 although in general your Test is going to be higher than someone older there is no real difference from someone who is slightly older and taking AAS, you are supplementing your natural test for more synthetic test?? Unless at 20 you are producing over 500mgs per week in test whats wrong? If you understand PCT and have a thorough understanding of how to recover your HPTA as quick as possible there shouldn't be any long lasting effects that would be any different from if you were to take it at 23 or 24?

Every body is different I guess I should say :D

[Martek]

BUMP same here
at 20 you should be able to make this kind of decision... and im sorry if im hijacking the thread, but i dont think so far anyone ive talked to about this could clearly explain just exactly why it is a bad idea (besides the usual "you're young and stupid and dont know how to train, eat and sleep")
you can have all the natural test you want, but it still doesnt come close to even a small dose aas can give you
plus i believe it would be easier to keep what you gained on cycle when you're younger i have done one cycle with no pct( 8 week test p and var) and went from 200 to 225 and lost about 10lbs afterwards...

Yeah, im near 24 and I gained 20lbs off cycle :P

[No-Go]

BUMP same here
at 20 you should be able to make this kind of decision... and im sorry if im hijacking the thread, but i dont think so far anyone ive talked to about this could clearly explain just exactly why it is a bad idea (besides the usual "you're young and stupid and dont know how to train, eat and sleep")
you can have all the natural test you want, but it still doesnt come close to even a small dose aas can give you
plus i believe it would be easier to keep what you gained on cycle when you're younger i have done one cycle with no pct( 8 week test p and var) and went from 200 to 225 and lost about 10lbs afterwards...

But i don't justify anything at 18 or under just because of the health effects and plus the majority of people have shown they really don't have the experience with diet/training and given it time to work,and are therefore not ready for AAS. If people can prove they have done all of those above and have a solid knowledge of AAS i don't mind helping but if i get stupid questions then people shoudn't really be doing AAS

[No-Go]

Yeah, im near 24 and I gained 20lbs off cycle :P

I gained 25lbs off 250mgs test with EQ and kept 23lbs of it

[Martek]

I gained 25lbs off 250mgs test with EQ and kept 23lbs of it

damn you lost 2lbs huh :( If I did that i'd be freaking out lol.. I gained my weight on cycle, and instead of losing, I got extra 20 lbs before the second cycle im still 20lbs heavier.

[Leo86]

you can have all the natural test you want, but it still doesnt come close to even a small dose aas can give you

Bump. I'd rather see a 20 yr old use steroids wisely then see some 30 year old abuse them.
On another note there is no short-cuts in training regardless of aas. I cant stand when I hear uneducated people say that "oh he takes steroids he's a cheater" or "he takes steroids so he can get big without working out hard naturally". Bottom line is you still have to train hard in order to make gains while on steroids. I tell them to fuck off cuz when you take steroids you train harder and harder ever week. No short-cuts regardless of aas use and anyone here who is a vet will agree.
you HAVE to eat right and train hard cuz steroids alone won't do it for you. My advice to anyone under 21 (19 or 20) is think real hard if your pushing yourself hard enough naturally before you get into AAS. But 18 is really too young.

[No-Go]

damn you lost 2lbs huh :( If I did that i'd be freaking out lol.. I gained my weight on cycle, and instead of losing, I got extra 20 lbs before the second cycle im still 20lbs heavier.

I gain water weight easily so thats all it was, you did pretty well!!