My first cycle re-edited

[Leo86]

Weeks 1-10: Test C at 375mg a week
Weeks 1-10: Arimidex at .25mg EOD (also will take this one week prior to test injection)
Weeks 1-4: D-bol 20mg ED (not sure if turanabol 40mg ED is better?)
Weeks 6-10: Primo depot 200mg a week
Week 12: 100mg of clomid/40mg of nolvadex ED
Week 13: 50mg of clomid/20mg of nolvadex ED
Week 14: 50mg of clomid/20mg of nolvadex ED

how does that look? Should I frontload with the first week of test C

[SteroidalTendency]

whats the reason for running test at 375. why not just 500????

[FordTurboDiesel]

He thinks he's going to overdo it....for one. Many people have spoken to him about it, but he has his mind set. 375 is better than the 250 he was going to do. Needless to say 2 amps make life a lot easier every pin.(calling it 500 of course) Well,,,,if you don't have vials.


Second, post your stats again, refresh our memory.
Get your diet in check before you even think about this. I recall you saying most of your protein is from shakes which is a no-no. Your probably getting half the protein you think you are from shakes. For the most part they are garbage. I mainly use them to supplement, get a little protein, and keep my stomach from going hungry.
You really need a diet.

[xxxcaptjackxxx]

Ive never ran Primo...so this is all hear say, but i thought anything under 400mg a week was a waste? Maybe Lunny could chime in on the primo.....

[SteroidalTendency]

dont bother frontloading if this is your first cycle

[SwoleTexasKid]

Weeks 1-10: Test C at 375mg a week
Weeks 1-10: Arimidex at .25mg EOD (also will take this one week prior to test injection)
Weeks 1-4: D-bol 20mg ED (not sure if turanabol 40mg ED is better?)
Weeks 6-10: Primo depot 200mg a week
Week 12: 100mg of clomid/40mg of nolvadex ED
Week 13: 50mg of clomid/20mg of nolvadex ED
Week 14: 50mg of clomid/20mg of nolvadex ED

how does that look? Should I frontload with the first week of test C

It still is not right Leo.

Run the Test at 500mg a week Its NOT going to hurt you and its the base of your cycle and most important for gains.

20mg of Dbol is entirely too low, run it at 40mg ED for wk 1-4

Primo Depot? Is there such a thing? If you are referring to Primobolan, its an enanthate ester. And it wont do shit at 200mg a week. Primo needs atleast 400 mg a week to be effective.

There is also no need to take a-dex a week before you even start. That test C is gonna take 5 weeks to kick in and bloat wont show for weeks.

[Leo86]

He thinks he's going to overdo it....for one. Many people have spoken to him about it, but he has his mind set. 375 is better than the 250 he was going to do. Needless to say 2 amps make life a lot easier every pin.(calling it 500 of course) Well,,,,if you don't have vials.


Second, post your stats again, refresh our memory.
Get your diet in check before you even think about this. I recall you saying most of your protein is from shakes which is a no-no. Your probably getting half the protein you think you are from shakes. For the most part they are garbage. I mainly use them to supplement, get a little protein, and keep my stomach from going hungry.
You really need a diet.

My diet is good. Even though I have heavy protein/calorie shakes everyday and i eat protein bars I know that nothing beats good old natural protein. I might start trying canned tuna again but damn that shit tastes bad. I stick with a lot of chicken, steak, turkey,ham to get my natural protein in everyday. Eat every 2-3 hours (small meals).I do eat a lot of carbs throughtout for energy since i'm 21 with a high metabolism. I also have buffalo and turkey burgers too. Drink water with every meal including bfast. Only other drink I have is gatorade once in a while. NO soda or alcohol.

My stats are 21 (22 in june), 5'11 190 lbs, around 5% bodyfat. been weightlifting for 6 years. But for one year I did nothing but push-ups, pull-ups, dips, and a ton of running while I was in the army. Other then that I have bodybuilding for 4 years out of the last 6.

[flatblack]

dont bother frontloading if this is your first cycle
dbol for the 1st 4 weeks isnt frontloading bro..............

[SteroidalTendency]

you should have no problem with gyno if your that lean

if you are that lean at 190 lbs your going to want to eat about 5000 calories a day to grow, so thats every 2-3 hours (big meals)

you will have no problem running 500 mg a week for weeks 1-12( i'd stick with 12 weeks to get best results)

and 40mg dbol weeks 1-4 like we've already said, just have your AI's on hand in case, but i doubt you'll need it. I you start to bloat around weeks 5 or 6, dont go into panic mode, thats part of it.


think of it like this man, you have so much test naturally, if you inject that exact amount of test into your body, your body will stop making it, but you still dont have any more than before. So at 250mg or even 375 your body is going to shut down test production but you still wont have enough to get the noticable anabolic effects. Guys are running a gram of test a week and are fine, thats why 500 is a baseline. You sound pretty jittery. Remember side effects are part of taking steroids

[SteroidalTendency]

dbol for the 1st 4 weeks isnt frontloading bro..............

ya he asked if he should frontload test c

[Leo86]

dbol for the 1st 4 weeks isnt frontloading bro..............

I know that. I was gonna use d-bol as a kickstart, and I was wondering if it would be better to frontload my first test c injection at like 1.75cc or 2cc, then just stick wit 1.5 cc the rest of the 9 weeks

[flatblack]

I know that. I was gonna use d-bol as a kickstart, and I was wondering if it would be better to frontload my first test c injection at like 1.75cc or 2cc, then just stick wit 1.5 cc the rest of the 9 weeks no, not necessary imo...just do yer 1 mil per injection twice weekly and the dbol at 40mgs daily...the test c should be kicking in nicely just as yer ending the dbol..........

[SwoleTexasKid]

And run the primo at 400 per week. Then you have a cycle. Dont frontload.

Take our advice bro weve all got cycles under our belt.

[Leo86]

And run the primo at 400 per week. Then you have a cycle. Dont frontload.

Take our advice bro weve all got cycles under our belt.


You guys got a good point cuz i've always been naturally lean so I probably don't have to worry about gyno as much due to my low bf%. I took the 1-ad with the 4-ad by ergopharm back when I was 17 and I just got a little bloated in the face nothing serious. Fuck it i'm probably gonna do the 500mg of test c a week. Worst case scenerio Ill just take the dose down if I get fucked up at like week 4 or 5.

[FordTurboDiesel]

My stats are 21 (22 in june), 5'11 190 lbs, around 5% bodyfat. been weightlifting for 6 years. But for one year I did nothing but push-ups, pull-ups, dips, and a ton of running while I was in the army. Other then that I have bodybuilding for 4 years out of the last 6.



Hey dude....just make sure you eat. Protein shakes don't amount for shit, for the most part.
Thanks for serving btw.

[Leo86]

Hey dude....just make sure you eat. Protein shakes don't amount for shit, for the most part.
Thanks for serving btw.

No problem man. PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN. Regardless of what other countries say about us.
yeah I agree with the protein shakes. they are just supplements but never should be your only source of protein. well I know exactly what I'm gonna do now with the help of you guys.
Weeks 1-10: Test C 500mg a week
Weeks 1-10: arimidex .25mg EOD
Weeks 1-4: D-bol 30mg a day
Weeks 6-10: primobolan depot 300mg a week
Weeks 12-14: normal clomid/novadex pct

I know you guys wanted me to up the dose of d-bol and primo but since this is my first cycle I wanna see how my body reacts first to these doses. I'll keep you guys posted on how the cycle ends up going.

[The BB Monad]

dbol for the 1st 4 weeks isnt frontloading bro..............

I think he meant kickstart! :D

In any case I'd up the Dbol to at least 30mg for the first 4 weeks and wouldn't use the other substances. Test with Dbol with give you nice gains and if you eat correctly and train hard you can gain around 20-25lbs quite easily!