Tbol or Dbol?

[aneck1369]

What's best for kick starting a Test E cycle and why?

[Interpol]

What's your goal?

[aneck1369]

Im looking for some lean mass, this is not going to be an all out bulk. I will running clen during the cycle. Strength is very imporant to me. Possibly more important than mass for this cycle. From what I have heard dbol is more androgenic correct?

[Milky87]

Yes, more androgenic.

With will be good if you use the correct dose

[Alin]

Im looking for some lean mass, this is not going to be an all out bulk. I will running clen during the cycle. Strength is very imporant to me. Possibly more important than mass for this cycle. From what I have heard dbol is more androgenic correct?


lean,dry gains, run the TBOL.

[Milky87]

You could try a mix-and-match.

Im considering 40mg tbol and 10mg dbol ED for 7 weeks in about two months time. My reasoning is that people are reporting good gains off of 40 - 60mgs of tbol, so im swaping out 10mgs of tbol for dbol so that I get some estrogen and DHT for extra growth. At 10mgs, There should only be minimal, if any, bloat

[bod1ggity]

nah man, I wouldnt recommend it, I would do one or the other, dbol is only in your system for about 4 hours so taking 1 10mg pill could even wind up giving you negative effects... im all out a d-bol fan, you might get extra bloat while your on it but its fantastic for strength and size gains... if your afraid of the bloat why not toss in adex .25mg eod?

[sTaTic]

lean,dry gains, run the TBOL.

yes... definately

dbol turns me into a tomato :D

[Milky87]

nah man, I wouldnt recommend it, I would do one or the other, dbol is only in your system for about 4 hours so taking 1 10mg pill could even wind up giving you negative effects... im all out a d-bol fan, you might get extra bloat while your on it but its fantastic for strength and size gains... if your afraid of the bloat why not toss in adex .25mg eod?

Ciba, when they first released dianabol stated doses needed were 5,g - 10mgs. This amount was apparently enough to replace normal hormal hormones levels but deliver 5x the anabolism while also having a minimal effect on natural production because only ~10% of the dose was left in the body upon going to bed (when we have out greatest suge of test production)

Low-dosing dbol has been proven by many people to have great effect because there isnt a build up of methylestradiol from its aromatization..

Dianabol doesnt actually aromatize or reduce to any great extent, so taking 1 pill i nthe morning will be good enoughfor what i want. Im not looking for massibe gains that i then piss out when i stop taking it.

As you know, we do need estrogen to grow, so that is why im incorperating it instead of another 10mgs of tbol. Its also stronger both anabolicly and androgenicly,

[bbsweet]

You could also front end load the Test E by doubling the first weeks dose.

[jstforme]

You could also front end load the Test E by doubling the first weeks dose.

that really wont do much considering the long ester, i could start out with 1000mg but it still will take a few weeks to kick in. if wanting to use only test then i would use prop or sustanon to frontload.

[bbsweet]

that really wont do much considering the long ester, i could start out with 1000mg but it still will take a few weeks to kick in. if wanting to use only test then i would use prop or sustanon to frontload.

True. Just trowing out options. It still gets the full dose of the Long estered test on you quicker. You could also just run the long estered Test for a longer cycle because adding short esters a the front you are getting it on you quicker but also extending you r cyle in a way.