FIRST AAS CYCLE APPROVAL NEEDED

[Leo86]

Weeks 1-6: Dianabol 30 mg a day (mon-fri only)
Weeks 1-6: Liv.52 2 tablets a day
Weeks 1-10: 375mg of Equipoise a week
Week 13: 40mg of nolva daily and 100mg of clomid daily
Week 14: 30mg of nolva daily and 50mg of clomid daily
Week 15: 20mg of nolva dailiy and 50mg of clomid daily

21 years old, 5'10 190 lbs, been weight lifting and bodybuilding for 5 years

Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated. Thanks

[tdizzle28]

http://www.alinboard.com/showthread.php?t=12453

Best advice anyone can give ya...this and the newbie forum...that cycle looks terrible

[Leo86]

http://www.alinboard.com/showthread.php?t=12453

Best advice anyone can give ya...this and the newbie forum...that cycle looks terrible

whats wrong with it? too much protection?

[jjgonz]

bump tdizzle not really sure if you know a lot about aas but i would think you need to research more bro or else your going to be extremely disapointed

[tdizzle28]

too little, inappropriate compounds...you will want to run your liver protectant the entire length of cycle and pct, perhaps stay on it as a part of your daily vitamins, it can't hurt you. You can use D-bol to kickstart your cycle, usually for about 4 weeks, six is a little long and will put much stress on your liver.

Where is your test? For your first cycle, you should run one compound to gauge its effectiveness, I.E. Test-E for 10 weeks, then PCT...skip the Eq until your second or third cycle so you know what works for you. What about an AI during cycle?

[Leo86]

bump tdizzle not really sure if you know a lot about aas but i would think you need to research more bro or else your going to be extremely disapointed

Trust me I have done a lot of research. I'm trying to stay away from test for my first cycle. I prefer to to only do one injection steroid per cycle. I figure the EQ would be good with the dianabol for the whole semi bulk/cut combo. I figured the three weeks of PCT will help me keep more of the gains from d-bol.

[tdizzle28]

Trust me I have done a lot of research. I'm trying to stay away from test for my first cycle. I prefer to to only do one injection steroid per cycle. I figure the EQ would be good with the dianabol for the whole semi bulk/cut combo. I figured the three weeks of PCT will help me keep more of the gains from d-bol.

Looking at what you wrote, it looks like you have done NO research...I'm outtie, not heeding advice, I can spend my time elsewhere.

[FordTurboDiesel]

Trust me I have done a lot of research

EH...we don't trust anyone here who hasn't put SOME time in. If you did your research you wouldn't be asking questions.

You have NO experience and have NO idea how your body is going to react. If you want one injection....dose 500 of some test per week. There is a reason everyone starts off there. Your no exception. If you think you are, kindly learn the hard way and let us know how it works for you.

This is a second person implying that what you are doing is incorrect. Carry on and surely we'll burn you at the stake.

[Leo86]

Looking at what you wrote, it looks like you have done NO research...I'm outtie, not heeding advice, I can spend my time elsewhere.

I have done research. But then again I feel it's fair to say that there will always be more information to learn. I know I'm new to aas which is one of the reasons I joined this well respected forum. Patience is key. I didnt figure I needed an AI during cycle since I wasnt taking any test with everything in their or since it wasnt a more heavy cycle with test, deca, d-bol, tren, or winstrol all together. They were also relatively low doses with the two things I planned to stack.

[Leo86]

EH...we don't trust anyone here who hasn't put SOME time in. If you did your research you wouldn't be asking questions.

You have NO experience and have NO idea how your body is going to react. If you want one injection....dose 500 of some test per week. There is a reason everyone starts off there. Your no exception. If you think you are, kindly learn the hard way and let us know how it works for you.

This is a second person implying that what you are doing is incorrect. Carry on and surely we'll burn you at the stake.

I'm asking questions and I appreciate you guys helping me out. I'm not here to bash anyone or say whats right or wrong. There is no doubt in my mind that I have a lot to learn, but from what I heard about test is that the injections a lot of times are a bitch, more easier for side effects, and harder to keep your gains. I will admit I have a lot to learn on the PCT and AI during cycles. I figured EQ would be easier on the system for a novice then 500mg a week of test. I'm not saying I would never do test just maybe not for my first cycle.

[FordTurboDiesel]

Absolutley if you do anything for your first cycle it's going to be Test. So many compunds are based off of it. By doing it, you will learn how your body will react. Your body produces Test, don't you think its smart to find out what your body is going to do with an additional amount of it?

There is a reason systems are in place here. I was once where you are and I followed protocol. IN some ways it failed me in gains, and in other ways it helped. Without doing them though I would have never learned first hand how my body would react.

Keep reading and look at other people's cycles. You've made your own cycle, I'll give you some credit, but it's not good. Read why though through other poeple's posts.

[Leo86]

Absolutley if you do anything for your first cycle it's going to be Test. So many compunds are based off of it. By doing it, you will learn how your body will react. Your body produces Test, don't you think its smart to find out what your body is going to do with an additional amount of it?

There is a reason systems are in place here. I was once where you are and I followed protocol. IN some ways it failed me in gains, and in other ways it helped. Without doing them though I would have never learned first hand how my body would react.

Keep reading and look at other people's cycles. You've made your own cycle, I'll give you some credit, but it's not good. Read why though through other poeple's posts.

I appreciate the advice FTD. I have taken 1-ad and 4-ad with (6 oxo which is an AI) before by Ergopharm before they banned it in the US. I wil admit supposely it was some kind of less potent test booster then steroids but my results where amazing. There is no doubt in my mind if I take the REAL test I will be satisfied. Out of all the test I thought the best ones where either Sustanon or Test Cypionate. Not sure which one would be best for beginners?

[FordTurboDiesel]

Single esthered Test...

I say E or C. You only want one shot a week.
Run 500mg/2 cc's per week.

Sust wants to be shot E3D's and even better at EOD. Wait on this one.

[Leo86]

Single esthered Test...

I say E or C. You only want one shot a week.
Run 500mg/2 cc's per week.

Sust wants to be shot E3D's and even better at EOD. Wait on this one.


I heard a lot of good things about the Test C. Great for powerlifting too. You definitely have me thinking now cuz I have these 22 g 1.5 in needles sitting here waiting to be used. I originally was gonna use them for EQ and stack the d-bol with it but maybe drop the d-bol and EQ and how does this sound. Stacked cycle of Test C with either anavar or primo tabs. not sure. any suggestions? Time to hit the gym. Ill post another cycle later. I appreciate that you gave me the time and day FTD unlike a few other guys who were quick to jump the gun.

[jegg21]

There is a saying, "Test is king" that is applicable here. Your assertion that running Test will raise serum estrogen levels is correct. The flaw in the reasoning behind this cycle is the assumption that side effects are the result of excess estrogen. Some, such as increased water retention, fat storage and the possibility of gynocomastia can be directly related to higher levels of blood estrogen. But there are other sides which have little or nothing to do with estradiol that may pose a much greater risk to both vitality and overall health. Two of these will, in the case of the cycle presented originally, present themselves in a most unsatisfactory manner. First, hepatoxicity resulting from the use of D-bol. Even at the more standard four week range, methandrostenolone is fairly hepatoxic, and prolonged use will amplify the penalty paid in the liver. My guess is that the reasoning behind the five days a week dosing protocol for D-bol is to afford some relief to the liver. I came to this conclusion simply by default. That is to say I cannot imagine why else it is being dosed in this manner. Unfortunately, "weekends off" will provide little in the way of liver support. Secondly, most AAS will to varying degrees negatively affect your bodies natural testosterone production, leading to many unwelcome side effects, such as loss of libido/sexual function, depression, and lethargy just to name a few. The reason everyone has suggested running Testosterone is not only that it will produce very good, keepable gains, but it will also give you an exogenus supply of testosterone, while your body isn't producing any. Think of it this way, if your trying to build muscle, would you rather have serum test values several times above normal, or values that are practically nonexistant. Additionally, sides related to testosterone use are most often easily avoided or remedied. Anti-Aromatase or AI products used at low dosages should provide sufficient protection against too great a rise in estrogen levels, while having a SERM, particularly Nolvadex on hand will leave you ready in case of the ever dreaded Gyno. I like te .25mg Arimidex e.o.d. suggested in some of the ready made cycles at the shop. On the bright side, your PCT looks nice, but I would seriously rethink the cycle if I were you. Look in the shop at the newbie cycles and you'll find one perfect for you.

[jjgonz]

I appreciate the advice FTD. I have taken 1-ad and 4-ad with (6 oxo which is an AI) before by Ergopharm before they banned it in the US. I wil admit supposely it was some kind of less potent test booster then steroids but my results where amazing. There is no doubt in my mind if I take the REAL test I will be satisfied. Out of all the test I thought the best ones where either Sustanon or Test Cypionate. Not sure which one would be best for beginners?

any "ai" that you can buy at gnc is not sufficient it couldnt hurt to add it but do not rely on that alone and 6oxo is not banned in the us you can buy it anywhere...as far as the test im glad your opening up to better ideas...run the cyp test e has been known to be a little rougher for newbies...cyp is a smoother shot...and you could kickstart your first 4 weeks with dbols at about 30mg/day based on your body size etc...that will get your strength up nice and youll come off around when your test is kicking in...as far as an ai run arimidex .25 mg eod or ed and keep reading bro remember with out a proper diet and training routine you wont gain shit...good luck man

[Leo86]

There is a saying, "Test is king" that is applicable here. Your assertion that running Test will raise serum estrogen levels is correct. The flaw in the reasoning behind this cycle is the assumption that side effects are the result of excess estrogen. Some, such as increased water retention, fat storage and the possibility of gynocomastia can be directly related to higher levels of blood estrogen. But there are other sides which have little or nothing to do with estradiol that may pose a much greater risk to both vitality and overall health. Two of these will, in the case of the cycle presented originally, present themselves in a most unsatisfactory manner. First, hepatoxicity resulting from the use of D-bol. Even at the more standard four week range, methandrostenolone is fairly hepatoxic, and prolonged use will amplify the penalty paid in the liver. My guess is that the reasoning behind the five days a week dosing protocol for D-bol is to afford some relief to the liver. I came to this conclusion simply by default. That is to say I cannot imagine why else it is being dosed in this manner. Unfortunately, "weekends off" will provide little in the way of liver support. Secondly, most AAS will to varying degrees negatively affect your bodies natural testosterone production, leading to many unwelcome side effects, such as loss of libido/sexual function, depression, and lethargy just to name a few. The reason everyone has suggested running Testosterone is not only that it will produce very good, keepable gains, but it will also give you an exogenus supply of testosterone, while your body isn't producing any. Think of it this way, if your trying to build muscle, would you rather have serum test values several times above normal, or values that are practically nonexistant. Additionally, sides related to testosterone use are most often easily avoided or remedied. Anti-Aromatase or AI products used at low dosages should provide sufficient protection against too great a rise in estrogen levels, while having a SERM, particularly Nolvadex on hand will leave you ready in case of the ever dreaded Gyno. I like te .25mg Arimidex e.o.d. suggested in some of the ready made cycles at the shop. On the bright side, your PCT looks nice, but I would seriously rethink the cycle if I were you. Look in the shop at the newbie cycles and you'll find one perfect for you.

So are you saying that if I take d-bol just go shorter amount of weeks but take it everyday or stick with the weekends off still? I'm defintely wanting to stack and injectable drug with another pill drug. It looks like I'm gonna take some kind of test (probably C) with some kind of pill. I'll have to do some research and look at some other stacks.

[Leo86]

any "ai" that you can buy at gnc is not sufficient it couldnt hurt to add it but do not rely on that alone and 6oxo is not banned in the us you can buy it anywhere...as far as the test im glad your opening up to better ideas...run the cyp test e has been known to be a little rougher for newbies...cyp is a smoother shot...and you could kickstart your first 4 weeks with dbols at about 30mg/day based on your body size etc...that will get your strength up nice and youll come off around when your test is kicking in...as far as an ai run arimidex .25 mg eod or ed and keep reading bro remember with out a proper diet and training routine you wont gain shit...good luck man

I mistyped about Ergopharm. I meant the 1-ad and 4-ad were banned. How is the test 400 compared to test c? I heard the test 400 is a bitch and hurts. I know one guy who injected it in his shoulder and said he could barely lift his shoulder for three days. Sounds nuts.
I noticed with the test c that right off the bat they will start a newbie at 500mg a week which I thought was a little too much. Maybe I'm wrong. I thought something like 375mg would be good enough for the first cycle, since you can always go up for the next cycle. Why not play it a little safer right? Plus you could stack with a little d-bol or turanabol too to make up for the lower dose of test.

[jjgonz]

haha i thought you meant the oxo...if your gonna run dbols take em every day split into doses through out the day to keep stable blood levels...tbol will give you far less bloat if any and is easier on your liver...its ok that your being cautious 500 is the average starting dose but you could by all means start at 375 and at week 5 after you come off the bols you could always bump it up to 500 based on how your feeling...stay away from the supertest 450...stick to a single estered test, cyp will be perfect for you...since your in the US i recommend stealth its over dosed and over filled so youll get more and its easier with our customs...whats your bf% at...make sure its low before you start youll get better results IMHO and read read read about diet training the whole 9 youll be ready soon our young patawan good luck

[FordTurboDiesel]

In my LITTLE experience so far I will say that Iranian E's are painless. Stealth Test C is out of this world. Pain for days. I persevered, but I wouldn't do it again.

You won't notice a difference between E and C. Same thing, different life and they are only a couple days apart. IN this case the test is test....

[jjgonz]

you had that much pain from the c bro? i thought it was the e that was a bitch for everyone...i dunno painful or not i ordered stealth cuz i wanna make sure i get my shit through customs i got lucky with vials the first time :D

[FordTurboDiesel]

Stealth C.

Yes...horrid, and for the record, I am one of these pain loving motherfuckers. It took consistently 3 days for the pain to become bearable. I was shooting it 3 times a week, so tell me how that feels! LMAO.....actually, more like Crying MAO....LOL!

The E, was Iranian, in amps. Edit....haven't heard anyone complain of Test E yet.

[Leo86]

Stealth C.

Yes...horrid, and for the record, I am one of these pain loving motherfuckers. It took consistently 3 days for the pain to become bearable. I was shooting it 3 times a week, so tell me how that feels! LMAO.....actually, more like Crying MAO....LOL!

The E, was Iranian, in amps. Edit....haven't heard anyone complain of Test E yet.

I thought you only have to take test c once a week since it's half life is around 8 days. why did you take it 3 times a week? maybe if you took it once a week it wouldn't be as painful :confused:

[FordTurboDiesel]

I apologize...I was shooting C twice a week, and shooting NPP along with it. I didn't want to be loading the living shit out of one area and given the pain I was getting I sure as hell wasn't moving on to the more functioning parts of my body like delts, or quads. At one point I went up to a gram a week of C because I wasn't getting results.

Im actually confusing myself trying to think back at what times I did what. Needless to say, I wouldn't go over 3cc's in one shot and given that I was doing more than that in a week, you'd need to split injection sites up.

I also rotated for pain. Give each cheek some time to recoup after each shot.

[SteroidalTendency]

In my LITTLE experience so far I will say that Iranian E's are painless. Stealth Test C is out of this world. Pain for days. I persevered, but I wouldn't do it again.

You won't notice a difference between E and C. Same thing, different life and they are only a couple days apart. IN this case the test is test....

for me, stealth test C, no pain at all. I look forward to injections actually

Also, Leo; run test with every cycle, if you run eq without it you will have a wet noodle where you thouhgt your penis was. Your natural test will be non existent and you wont be giving your body any, so you will have none. Which is bad.

[FordTurboDiesel]

Crazy Steroidal.....The C for me was Bad.....I didn't get any pain with NPP.

[SteroidalTendency]

thats wierd how it is with different people, different batches maybe. I have been told i have thin skin too so the pin part is easier anyways

[Leo86]

for me, stealth test C, no pain at all. I look forward to injections actually

Also, Leo; run test with every cycle, if you run eq without it you will have a wet noodle where you thouhgt your penis was. Your natural test will be non existent and you wont be giving your body any, so you will have none. Which is bad.

The bottom line is that I'm gonna have to do some trial and error since this is gonna be my first cycle. Figure out what my body likes and dislikes since everyones reactions are not going to be identical. I'm convinced and what I learned from this forum is that test is a necessity for any cycle whether it is stacking a low dose 100mg to 200mg a week for cutting or stacking it for bulking which I feel can range anywhere from 400mg to 1000mg a week.

[LeanMass17]

Leo this is your cycle:

Week 1-12 500mg Test E. or Test C.
Week 1-4 30mg D-bol Every day & Liv. 52 pills with every meal
Week 13- OFF
Week 14- 100mg Clomid ED 40mg Nolva ED
Week 15- 50mg Clomid ED 30mg Nolva ED
Week 16- 50mg Clomid ED 20mg Nolva ED

I dont think you should lower the test dose...500mg is no that much you just are seeing it as a big number. You will be fine...Stop psyching your body into thinking its weak and cant handle this...Its really nothing and you will see that once you apply yourself

[FordTurboDiesel]

[I'm convinced and what I learned from this forum is that test is a necessity for any cycle whether it is stacking a low dose 100mg to 200mg a week for cutting or stacking it for bulking which I feel can range anywhere from 400mg to 1000mg a week.

Dude...why do you not listen....or register what you read? A low dosage of 1-200 a week....Nothing like shutting your system down with no hopes of growing. That would just about cover what your body would need to be normal.

Bulking will range from 500 and up a week depending on experience. For you, 500....!
You don't know how much that is, so don't assume it's too much. If you get amps, 500 is easy....2 amps and your done.
If you do an oral, which I don't recommend at first.....don't drink.

[LeanMass17]

If you do an oral, which I don't recommend at first.....don't drink.

hahahaha....thats funny and nice that you mentioned that because I wouldnt even think to ya know

[Leo86]

Dude...why do you not listen....or register what you read? A low dosage of 1-200 a week....Nothing like shutting your system down with no hopes of growing. That would just about cover what your body would need to be normal.

Bulking will range from 500 and up a week depending on experience. For you, 500....!
You don't know how much that is, so don't assume it's too much. If you get amps, 500 is easy....2 amps and your done.
If you do an oral, which I don't recommend at first.....don't drink.

If i did test I would go with Test C for the first time. I got great gains off of 1-ad and 4-ad by egropharm back when I was 17 when it was legal. I took a low dose for only a 6 week cycle and put on about 10lbs lean muscle. Strength went up too. And I know that Test C is much more potent then that pro hormone stack. Don't get me wrong I apperciate you guys giving me advice I feel you truly wanna help me out. I understand that I can be stubborn at times but hey nobody is perfect.
The most I'll do for the first cycle is 375mg a week for starters. If I feel that I have to go up 500mg or down to 250mg I will know after I experiment with the 375mg dose for my first cycle. I'd rather have less/moderate gains with a lower dose then a much higher dose with super high gains (which would mostly be bloat) with tons of side effects.
I'm not trying to offend anyone here or act like i'm a know-it-all I just have friends that have used test in the past and they got all fucked up cuz they took too much for the first time (one of them did a spike in the middle of the cycle). I'd just rather be safe then sorry since I can always up the dose of test in future cycles.
Have you heard of the book Anabolics 2007 6th edition? great source. says for physique-enhancement you can take anywhere from 200mg-600mg a week for anywhere from 6 to 12 weeks. Anabolics stress that megadosing is not a smart technique. Who knows I could get great gains from 375mg a week. I'm not your typical newbie I train 110% and eat like a champ. Lost of NATURAL protein, vegetables, lots of water, high calorie protein shake everyday, and lost of carbs throughout the day for energy. I also take multi-vitamins. Shit i even stopped drinking soda and alcohol completely for a month straight right now.

[FordTurboDiesel]

~SIGH~ Thats great all this stuff you've done man, but everyone here is doing exactly the same friggin thing. There's no exceptions here....
Yes, I have the anabolics book. Just one more resource to educate myself with.

Its obvious your friends don't know what they are doing. I wouldn't use that as a guideline.

I won't argue. There are so many threads and resources on this site to read about various people's results. I did a prohormone before my first Test cycle and it hit me great. My first time around w/ aas I did a 500mg/week Test E cycle and got nothing from it. Sure you want to make comparisons again? Yeah...just what I thought....probably not now huh...? You do not know what is going to happen. I still say, go with a newbie cycle at 1 pin/500 a week. At least you'll have a starting point and a place to start learning.

Do what you wish....it's not really my business.

[Leo86]

~SIGH~ Thats great all this stuff you've done man, but everyone here is doing exactly the same friggin thing. There's no exceptions here....
Yes, I have the anabolics book. Just one more resource to educate myself with.

Its obvious your friends don't know what they are doing. I wouldn't use that as a guideline.

I won't argue. There are so many threads and resources on this site to read about various people's results. I did a prohormone before my first Test cycle and it hit me great. My first time around w/ aas I did a 500mg/week Test E cycle and got nothing from it. Sure you want to make comparisons again? Yeah...just what I thought....probably not now huh...? You do not know what is going to happen. I still say, go with a newbie cycle at 1 pin/500 a week. At least you'll have a starting point and a place to start learning.

Do what you wish....it's not really my business.

Did you get any side effects from the 500mg/week? I'm surprised but who knows if the 500mg week was the reason for no gains. Diet poor? too much/too less of sleep? Working too many hours at the work? Stress? We can argue all day but there is no point. The only way to solve this problem is for me to experiement and see what doses work for MY body. who knows we could be alike in the fact that prohormones work great and since we have that under our belt we have to up the test amount then an avg. newbie would.

[FordTurboDiesel]

For the most part, all was good. My sleep could have been a little better. I got no sides from that cycle. I didn't get any sides from a gram a week of Test. It feels to me like Test kicks in VERY late for me.

[jjgonz]

leo everywhere you read theyll say the low dose is 200mg but its pointless your using gear for a reason thats why we all say baseline is 500 your looking at it like its a huge number but its not like that there is a big difference however between 500 and 750...am i making sense? point is why waste the gear and run 375 for almost nothing...granted you might gain 10 pounds or even a few more but if your nervous about sides take an ai through out the duration of your cycle and you can always cut down from 500 but you will not get bad sides at 500 with a good ai IMO...if your taking the step towards gear then commit to it iwas thinking the same thing at one point oh i dont wanna be bloated etc and i still get paranoid about gyno but hey besides flatback most of us do...i think if you run at a low dose especially since its test only youll be a little disapointed and wish you went higher as where if you start high you can cut down the dose...up to you man just giving in my $.02

[ojs]

If i did test I would go with Test C for the first time. I got great gains off of 1-ad and 4-ad by egropharm back when I was 17 when it was legal. I took a low dose for only a 6 week cycle and put on about 10lbs lean muscle. Strength went up too. And I know that Test C is much more potent then that pro hormone stack. Don't get me wrong I apperciate you guys giving me advice I feel you truly wanna help me out. I understand that I can be stubborn at times but hey nobody is perfect.
The most I'll do for the first cycle is 375mg a week for starters. If I feel that I have to go up 500mg or down to 250mg I will know after I experiment with the 375mg dose for my first cycle. I'd rather have less/moderate gains with a lower dose then a much higher dose with super high gains (which would mostly be bloat) with tons of side effects.
I'm not trying to offend anyone here or act like i'm a know-it-all I just have friends that have used test in the past and they got all fucked up cuz they took too much for the first time (one of them did a spike in the middle of the cycle). I'd just rather be safe then sorry since I can always up the dose of test in future cycles.
Have you heard of the book Anabolics 2007 6th edition? great source. says for physique-enhancement you can take anywhere from 200mg-600mg a week for anywhere from 6 to 12 weeks. Anabolics stress that megadosing is not a smart technique. Who knows I could get great gains from 375mg a week. I'm not your typical newbie I train 110% and eat like a champ. Lost of NATURAL protein, vegetables, lots of water, high calorie protein shake everyday, and lost of carbs throughout the day for energy. I also take multi-vitamins. Shit i even stopped drinking soda and alcohol completely for a month straight right now.
Leo, here is my honest advice to you.....

First, spend another month reading until you're sick of it and sure that everything you read is starting to sound the same.

Next, if you are financially comfortable and still paranoid, do 1 cc (250mg) of test c or e per week for 6 weeks. All your questions about your body's initial reaction to test will be answered. The newbie complications of PCT will likely not be necessary. If everything went well, wait a month to refresh your receptors. And then do your next cycle of 500mg per week for 10-12 weeks with a high degree of confidence.

After that, ....the sky is the limit....

There is my $0.02 worth.... :cool::cool::cool:

[jegg21]

Sorry for the late response, I've been a little busy. In answer to your query some 2 pages ago, if your set on running D-Bol, yes, I'd recommend running D-bol e.d. 4 wks, as a jump start to a cycle that includes Test. The general point of my earlier post was to illustrate that while you are trying to avoid testosterone injections due to concerns with T related side effect, this particular test free cycle will likely produce more, and harsher complications in terms of side orders than a testosterone run. You'll get androgen replacement from the D-Bol, but only for the four weeks, then you're looking at a long period of time in which you'd have little to no natural testosterone production, and no exogenus Test. If you really want to run this cycle, there's a very good cance that it will be extremely unpleasant for you. As ojs recommends, even 250mg, which is only 1 ml, once a week will do great things for you. Anyway, good luck.

[Krom]

Stealth C.

Yes...horrid, and for the record, I am one of these pain loving motherfuckers. It took consistently 3 days for the pain to become bearable. I was shooting it 3 times a week, so tell me how that feels! LMAO.....actually, more like Crying MAO....LOL!

The E, was Iranian, in amps. Edit....haven't heard anyone complain of Test E yet.

I got the same thing with the stealth test C. I had to cut it with cottonseed oil and I still had problems. I've done several other brands of test 1 american (from a hospital) and 3 from mexico which didn't give me any pain. Stealth C works but I won't be using it again.

[LeanMass17]

Your not mentally prepared for your cycle....physically you are, but you are going to freak out during the injection process....god forbid you get any sides. Don't take this as an insult, but you should be going into AAS with confidence not fear