Feed back on future cycle please

[Benner]

This wont be for a few months. I have'nt combined these compounds before, and would like feedback/advice from some vets on what to expect and how they go together. I am 35 y/o, 250lbs, 5'9", with 5 cycles under my belt, and have been training for 20 years, 15 seriously. This will be an obvious bulker, however I need some insight on how to keep water bloat down because I'm prone to it. Here it is:

Sust 500-600mg per week
Deca 500 or Tren E 400mg??? per week
Eq 400 per week
An oral to kickstart, not DBOL, because I bloat like a pissed off puffer fish on 40 mg ED, also would like to know the best AI i.e. Arimidex, letro, nolva. Also need some help with hcg usage and dosage/frequency. I do have an idea on hcg and ancilliaries, just want some real feed back. Thanks to all in advance:)
I will of course do proper PCT

[tdizzle28]

Nolva is not an AI, it is catergorized as a SERM. I've had good luck with A-dex, however I'm going to run Letro this cycle, I'll let ya know how it is. For an oral, try Turanabol, like D-bol without the bloat. I would skip the sust and run either test-e or c with the deca and eq...how long is the cycle for? HCG is great to keep your boys breathing and hanging, about 500 i.u.'s every 4-5 days...I think that hit on most of the stuff, I'll let someone else fill in where I left off...

[Benner]

My bad, I meant anti-e and/or AI. Thanks for reply though, good info. I like sust simply because I am very impatient, and hate the wait, and I get stupid water bloat from test E and C. I would do just prop if I did'nt have to pin EOD. I've been considering t-bol as well. I want to pin 2x a week, which should be fine with these compounds. Whats your take on tren instead of deca? And I want to run 14-16 weeks. A little long, but with everything else in place, and these are'nt too high dosages, I think I'll be fine. Sounds to me like it is gonna be a killer cycle:D

[tdizzle28]

My bad, I meant anti-e and/or AI. Thanks for reply though, good info. I like sust simply because I am very impatient, and hate the wait, and I get stupid water bloat from test E and C. I would do just prop if I did'nt have to pin EOD. I've been considering t-bol as well. I want to pin 2x a week, which should be fine with these compounds. Whats your take on tren instead of deca? And I want to run 14-16 weeks. A little long, but with everything else in place, and these are'nt too high dosages, I think I'll be fine. Sounds to me like it is gonna be a killer cycle:D

Personally, I'm not that fond of tren, I had really bad sides and will probably never touch it again. The deca, eq, and test will make for a very synergistic combo and if you are looking to bulk, that's the way I would go. If you do go with tren, do not run it for 14-16 weeks... I think there was a thread yesterday, they said 8 weeks is MAX for tren a and 10 weeks is MAX for tren e...

[xxxcaptjackxxx]

Personally, I'm not that fond of tren, I had really bad sides and will probably never touch it again. The deca, eq, and test will make for a very synergistic combo and if you are looking to bulk, that's the way I would go. If you do go with tren, do not run it for 14-16 weeks... I think there was a thread yesterday, they said 8 weeks is MAX for tren a and 10 weeks is MAX for tren e...

its also believe running eq and deca together you can use smaller amounts of each....say 300mg instead of running each at 400 or more.

[Benner]

Personally, I'm not that fond of tren, I had really bad sides and will probably never touch it again. The deca, eq, and test will make for a very synergistic combo and if you are looking to bulk, that's the way I would go. If you do go with tren, do not run it for 14-16 weeks... I think there was a thread yesterday, they said 8 weeks is MAX for tren a and 10 weeks is MAX for tren e...

I'm aware of the tren deal, your'e right on that. I would do 10 weeks of tren E if I do it at all. I have done tren a, and got strong as an ox on it. Powerful stuff! I will also run proviron during cycle at 50 mg ED, that stuff is fucking great, especially for the ol' lady:D I actually respond well to deca, I get very big and strong, the shutdown sucks but with proviron and HCG, I should be good 2 go dont ya' think?

[zznwhs]

I have used tren alot. It is more safe to run it 10 weeks max, but I have run it alot longer than that without any negative effects. Using HCG while on tren is a must unless you want your nuts to turn into raisins. When I did use it longer than 10 weeks, it was never at more than 400mg/week (tren E). Even at 400mg/week, you may experience some sides...acne on back & shoulders, problems with sleep, night sweats. But if you do decide to run it, your strength will go through the roof, and it will definitely put some quality mass on you.

If you are going to use test at 500-600mg/week ,running arimidex at
.5 mg/day will keep gyno symptoms away, and keep bloat down.

As far as kicking your cycle off with orals, I have not used turinabol before,
but as tdizzle said it is reported to be like dbol without the bloat, so it might not be a bad choice for you.

[Benner]

I have used tren alot. It is more safe to run it 10 weeks max, but I have run it alot longer than that without any negative effects. Using HCG while on tren is a must unless you want your nuts to turn into raisins. When I did use it longer than 10 weeks, it was never at more than 400mg/week (tren E). Even at 400mg/week, you may experience some sides...acne on back & shoulders, problems with sleep, night sweats. But if you do decide to run it, your strength will go through the roof, and it will definitely put some quality mass on you.

If you are going to use test at 500-600mg/week ,running arimidex at
.5 mg/day will keep gyno symptoms away, and keep bloat down.

As far as kicking your cycle off with orals, I have not used turinabol before,
but as tdizzle said it is reported to be like dbol without the bloat, so it might not be a bad choice for you.

Good info. I actually thought about anavar, but its so damn pricey. Would this be a possibility for say the 1st 6 weeks or so? If so, what dosage is recommended for my size? I have'nt used a-var yet

[zznwhs]

Good info. I actually thought about anavar, but its so damn pricey. Would this be a possibility for say the 1st 6 weeks or so? If so, what dosage is recommended for my size? I have'nt used a-var yet

You could run var for the first 6 weeks if you want to. You are not going to get the instant gratification as far as size gain goes when you kick off with dbol or even tbol, but the var will give you some good strength gains. At your size you could run 40-50 mg of var per day. Var is the least harsh of all orals so toxicity isn't a big issue. If you want even more strength gains while on var, use some form of creatine at the same time. Var and creatine work synergistically together, and I've had some great results when using the two.

[juced_porkchop]

You could run var for the first 6 weeks if you want to. You are not going to get the instant gratification as far as size gain goes when you kick off with dbol or even tbol, but the var will give you some good strength gains. At your size you could run 40-50 mg of var per day. Var is the least harsh of all orals so toxicity isn't a big issue. If you want even more strength gains while on var, use some form of creatine at the same time. Var and creatine work synergistically together, and I've had some great results when using the two.

how about tbol and creatine?????

[zznwhs]

how about tbol and creatine?????

If you added creatine to a cycle with tbol, it would help some. But the deal is that anavar and creatine work synergistically together, they make each other more effective. If you do a search there is a thread or post around somewhere telling how var and creatine work together.

[Benner]

Its definitely between tbol and var. Tbol will yield quicker results, but better strength in var is what you're telling me? Which is best for no bloat and maybe some good vascularity, var? I'd like to know, because the injects I'll be doing will give me good bulk, but I'm thinking I could go a little leaner with var. Any thoughts? Thanks ya'll

[zznwhs]

Its definitely between tbol and var. Tbol will yield quicker results, but better strength in var is what you're telling me? Which is best for no bloat and maybe some good vascularity, var? I'd like to know, because the injects I'll be doing will give me good bulk, but I'm thinking I could go a little leaner with var. Any thoughts? Thanks ya'll

Var will give you no bloat. I havent used tbol, but its supposed to be like dbol with less bloat, but thats not to say it wont cause any bloat at all. Var is very expensive for a reason...its very effective and has very low toxicity. My opinion...if you can afford var...get it. If you can't....get the tbol. And now that I look back at the beginning of this thread.....tbol isnt going to be as big of an issue on bloat as the sustanon you are planning on using. Sust is going to cause you more bloat than anything else you are thinking of running. One way to counter this bloat would be to use arimidex...which will also keep gyno symptoms away. If you are going to use sust at 500mg/week, .5 mg of a-dex/day should be good. If you are throwing the EQ in the cycle, bump the a-dex up to .75 mg/day.

[Benner]

Var will give you no bloat. I havent used tbol, but its supposed to be like dbol with less bloat, but thats not to say it wont cause any bloat at all. Var is very expensive for a reason...its very effective and has very low toxicity. My opinion...if you can afford var...get it. If you can't....get the tbol. And now that I look back at the beginning of this thread.....tbol isnt going to be as big of an issue on bloat as the sustanon you are planning on using. Sust is going to cause you more bloat than anything else you are thinking of running. One way to counter this bloat would be to use arimidex...which will also keep gyno symptoms away. If you are going to use sust at 500mg/week, .5 mg of a-dex/day should be good. If you are throwing the EQ in the cycle, bump the a-dex up to .75 mg/day.

Thanks bro. One more question. If I did prop instead of sust at around 300-400mg per week, even though the dosage is less, do you think I still am getting enough test in me for my cycle? I dont bloat at all with prop and I absolutely love it! But I was trying to keep pinning to 2x per week. I guess I could just add 1 shot per week of prop, no big deal I guess. Let me know. Thanks:)

[zznwhs]

Thanks bro. One more question. If I did prop instead of sust at around 300-400mg per week, even though the dosage is less, do you think I still am getting enough test in me for my cycle? I dont bloat at all with prop and I absolutely love it! But I was trying to keep pinning to 2x per week. I guess I could just add 1 shot per week of prop, no big deal I guess. Let me know. Thanks:)

If you ran the prop at 400mg/week you would probably get around the same amount of test as running 500mg/ week of sust since with sust you are actually getting more esther mg per mg vs. test prop, so I would say 400mg/week of test prop would be a good option for you.

[Benner]

I like the way you think 'zz' I love prop, I like to take long walks on the beach, and have candle light dinners with my vial of prop:D Ok, that was just cheesy, but prop rules!