Dbol-winni role reversal?

[shaunpg]

I finished 5 weeks of dbol at 80mgs a day and picked up with 100mgs of winny a day. Ive been on the winny now for about 1 1/2 weeks. I know its not a good cycle but i planned on running dbol for 4 along with supertest and eq. for 12 and winny the last 4 weeks, but i had to stop the test after 3 weeks cuz my injection sites hurt like hell, and thats an understatement, and the eq. was used to cut the test so thats gone too.

Anyway my question is why when i was on the dbol was i staying lean with minimal gyno and almost no bloat. And less than a week after i stopped dbol and started winny i have prominant amounts of water bloat and my stomache looks like im on heavy doses of insulin...and my gyno has gotten terrible. I thought winny if anything would help take some of the puffiness away. Also my strength and weight started to climb pretty decent again once i stopped dbol.
Any insight as to why this is happening would be appreciated.

[IronBod]

I finished 5 weeks of dbol at 80mgs a day and picked up with 100mgs of winny a day. Ive been on the winny now for about 1 1/2 weeks. I know its not a good cycle but i planned on running dbol for 4 along with supertest and eq. for 12 and winny the last 4 weeks, but i had to stop the test after 3 weeks cuz my whole body was paralyzed and the eq. was used to cut the test so thats gone too.

Anyway my question is why when i was on the dbol was i staying lean with minimal gyno and almost no bloat. And less than a week after i stopped dbol and started winny i have prominant amounts of water bloat and my stomache looks like im on heavy doses of insulin...and my gyno has gotten terrible. I thought winny if anything would help take some of the puffiness away. Also my strength and weight started to climb pretty decent again once i stopped dbol.
Any insight as to why this is happening would be appreciated.

Test Paralyzed your whole body ?????????????????????????????????
After just 3 weeks. What the Hell.

[jjgonz]

something isnt right there lol

[shaunpg]

i wasnt literally paralyzed, just the supertest caused intense pain and the injected muscles were a nightmare.

[lunny]

i wasnt literally paralyzed, just the supertest caused intense pain and the injected muscles were a nightmare.

Super test didnt cause you pain, You caused you pain!!!!! You were injecting poorly and as for why you have gyno now that is because after you stoped you test week 3 your body was shut off by then (assuming that you werent takin any AI or HCG while on the test) so after week 5 you had used up all that test you stuck in your body then your estrogen spiked causing water and gyno!! know what your doing prior to using powerful substances!!!!

[tdizzle28]

Super test didnt cause you pain, You caused you pain!!!!! You were injecting poorly and as for why you have gyno now that is because after you stoped you test week 3 your body was shut off by then (assuming that you werent takin any AI or HCG while on the test) so after week 5 you had used up all that test you stuck in your body then your estrogen spiked causing water and gyno!! know what your doing prior to using powerful substances!!!!

Bump!

[shaunpg]

trust me, i know what im doing. if i didnt know what i was doing i wouldnt have gained 70lbs in the past year and still be 6 percent body fat, that was only after an 8 week bulking and a 4 week lean mass cycle. i do everything right, i have blood tests done and i know how to inject where to inject and how much of what to inject. the pain was from the supertest i had an alergic reaction to the test, something to do with the histmines is what the doc said. and as for the high doses im a big person, 6'7" and dont respond to low doses of steroids, ive tried the average doses of dbol, anadrol, trenbolone and test and didnt respond till i almost doubled the dosage. dont accuse me of not knowing what im doing if u dont know the facts. and yes my diet was up to par.,

[irishyankeenut]

trust me, i know what im doing. if i didnt know what i was doing i wouldnt have gained 70lbs in the past year and still be 6 percent body fat, that was only after an 8 week bulking and a 4 week lean mass cycle. i do everything right, i have blood tests done and i know how to inject where to inject and how much of what to inject. the pain was from the supertest i had an alergic reaction to the test, something to do with the histmines is what the doc said. and as for the high doses im a big person, 6'7" and dont respond to low doses of steroids, ive tried the average doses of dbol, anadrol, trenbolone and test and didnt respond till i almost doubled the dosage. dont accuse me of not knowing what im doing if u dont know the facts. and yes my diet was up to par.,

Let me ask you bro...you are 6'7" tall gained 70 lbs over the past year at 6% body fat.........CAN I HAVE A FEW FREE TICKETS TO THE OLYMPIA THIS YEAR?

The old expression "If it smells like fish don't eat it!".......I'm having a hard time eating your numbers here bro (sounds a little fishy to me)

[Alin]

you sure you didnt get the DBOL and WINSTROL mixed up?

[lunny]

Let me ask you bro...you are 6'7" tall gained 70 lbs over the past year at 6% body fat.........CAN I HAVE A FEW FREE TICKETS TO THE OLYMPIA THIS YEAR?

The old expression "If it smells like fish don't eat it!".......I'm having a hard time eating your numbers here bro (sounds a little fishy to me)

LOL no shit 70lbs huh... Get real.... yeah 6% thats funny...let see some pics prove me wrong!!!!

[shaunpg]

Positive i didnt get em mixed up. Im 6'7" but i only weigh 250lbs. dont know how to post pics here so if u really want u can check my myspace, only the last couple pics are fairly recent...before the winny while i was on dbol. www.myspace.com/whiteygotmadhops
there are also pics of before i started

[lunny]

Positive i didnt get em mixed up. Im 6'7" but i only weigh 250lbs. dont know how to post pics here so if u really want u can check my myspace, only the last couple pics are fairly recent...before the winny while i was on dbol. www.myspace.com/whiteygotmadhops
there are also pics of before i started

Dont come on here bullshitin us kid!!! We are not here to judge and say oh your a pussy cause you small. The most important thing is to tell the truth dont exaggerate and say "oh i put on 70lbs" cause your talking to guys that have been doing this alot longer than you!!!! Dont mean to be a dick just want you to get off to a good start.. By the way your V is lookin good in those pic's bro keep up the work

[shaunpg]

I know most people on here have been doing this alot longer than i have but i promise you im not lying. Ive been lifting for almost 2 years and doing aas for just about a year, and in the first 12 months or so i put on 70lbs, no lie. Dude iwas 6'7" and only weighed 180lbs. and never took anything or really ever lifted before, so of course im gonna respond the way i did when i first started taking stuff. But on everything, i put on 70lbs over the course of the year. I have no need to lie, im not one of those people that feel the need to lie just to be accepted. I know 70 lbs sounds ridiculous but if u think about it thats only a little over 20 lbs. for each of the 3 cycles ive done. Which is definitely something that aas can do if u eat right. Believe me or not im not lying. I lie enough telling people who ask that im not taking juice, this is the only place i can be honest.

Maybe this will help u believe it more...

starting weight-180
starting arms-15"
Starting chest-42"
starting legs-24"

current weight-250
current arms-18.5"
current chest-50"
current legs-27"

obviously my legs are way behind but im 6'7" and had frog legs when i started, plus i had quite a few set backs from injuries to my knee and ankles from sports.

[CountVascular]

I finished 5 weeks of dbol at 80mgs a day and picked up with 100mgs of winny a day. Ive been on the winny now for about 1 1/2 weeks. I know its not a good cycle but i planned on running dbol for 4 along with supertest and eq. for 12 and winny the last 4 weeks, but i had to stop the test after 3 weeks cuz my injection sites hurt like hell, and thats an understatement, and the eq. was used to cut the test so thats gone too.

Anyway my question is why when i was on the dbol was i staying lean with minimal gyno and almost no bloat. And less than a week after i stopped dbol and started winny i have prominant amounts of water bloat and my stomache looks like im on heavy doses of insulin...and my gyno has gotten terrible. I thought winny if anything would help take some of the puffiness away. Also my strength and weight started to climb pretty decent again once i stopped dbol.
Any insight as to why this is happening would be appreciated.

80mgs of Dbol for 5 weeks?????????????????????????? Maybe you should go to a doctor and check out your liver...:eek::eek::eek:

[lunny]

I know most people on here have been doing this alot longer than i have but i promise you im not lying. Ive been lifting for almost 2 years and doing aas for just about a year, and in the first 12 months or so i put on 70lbs, no lie. Dude iwas 6'7" and only weighed 180lbs. and never took anything or really ever lifted before, so of course im gonna respond the way i did when i first started taking stuff. But on everything, i put on 70lbs over the course of the year. I have no need to lie, im not one of those people that feel the need to lie just to be accepted. I know 70 lbs sounds ridiculous but if u think about it thats only a little over 20 lbs. for each of the 3 cycles ive done. Which is definitely something that aas can do if u eat right. Believe me or not im not lying. I lie enough telling people who ask that im not taking juice, this is the only place i can be honest.

Maybe this will help u believe it more...

starting weight-180
starting arms-15"
Starting chest-42"
starting legs-24"

current weight-250
current arms-18.5"
current chest-50"
current legs-27"

obviously my legs are way behind but im 6'7" and had frog legs when i started, plus i had quite a few set backs from injuries to my knee and ankles from sports.

Well sorry to come off like a dick 70lbs is just hard to fathom...... But all that aside you look good bud and in my opinion the longest you should run orals consecutively is 5 weeks!!!!! any longer than that and your askin for problems.. Again the whole thing that i said before about your test dropping and making you estrogen spike is what i think caused your sides... When taking the D-bol did you have and joint pain or pain in shins or forearms????

[steak]

you sure you didnt get the DBOL and WINSTROL mixed up?

:D:D:D

[steak]

I finished 5 weeks of dbol at 80mgs a day and picked up with 100mgs of winny a day. Ive been on the winny now for about 1 1/2 weeks. I know its not a good cycle but i planned on running dbol for 4 along with supertest and eq. for 12 and winny the last 4 weeks, but i had to stop the test after 3 weeks cuz my injection sites hurt like hell, and thats an understatement, and the eq. was used to cut the test so thats gone too.

Anyway my question is why when i was on the dbol was i staying lean with minimal gyno and almost no bloat. And less than a week after i stopped dbol and started winny i have prominant amounts of water bloat and my stomache looks like im on heavy doses of insulin...and my gyno has gotten terrible. I thought winny if anything would help take some of the puffiness away. Also my strength and weight started to climb pretty decent again once i stopped dbol.
Any insight as to why this is happening would be appreciated.

T A M O X I F E N during the cycle, (or a pair of bra after j/k),lol:D

[shaunpg]

The only thing that held true was that while i was on dbol my joints were fine but once i started the winny is when i started having aches and pains in joints. so do u think i should not finish the last 2 weeks of winny and start my clomid and nolvadex then?

[CountVascular]

The only thing that held true was that while i was on dbol my joints were fine but once i started the winny is when i started having aches and pains in joints. so do u think i should not finish the last 2 weeks of winny and start my clomid and nolvadex then?

and what about the supertest you are on????????????????? You have done the d-bol for 5 weeks, the winny for a few weeks, and what about the supertest??????????? If I smell a rat...it generally means there is a rat.....:eek::confused:

[shaunpg]

i had to stop the supertest after the 3rd week cuz all my injection sites were swollen like a baloon and hurt, i couldnt take the pain anymore.

[irishyankeenut]

i had to stop the supertest after the 3rd week cuz all my injection sites were swollen like a baloon and hurt, i couldnt take the pain anymore.

MAN, after reading all your posts in this thread, your cycle is AFU!!!!

[CountVascular]

i had to stop the supertest after the 3rd week cuz all my injection sites were swollen like a baloon and hurt, i couldnt take the pain anymore.
Another perfect example thread of WHY we discourage people doing this without reading up on shit.......

[shaunpg]

ive read everything there is to read 3 times over, and keep looking til i find something new. On top of that ive had several conversations with my college professor who sets up diets, workouts and cycles for people who are hardcore and do competitions. And ive done 2 cycles before this one and had zero problems with great gains. It was when i added the supertest that i had problems. I know uve read all the threads about people having extreme pain from supertest and having to stop, its nothing im doing wrong i just had a bad reaction to the supertest, nothing i can do about it but stop. I think adding 70 lbs to my frame and 200lbs to my bench in a little over a year would make ya think im doing something right. And i know ur all gonna say im lying but unless u saw what i looked like before i started lifting i guess i wouldn't believe it either.

I love how some people act like i know nothing and they know most everything but im as big and strong as they are and ive been lifting half as long as them. U try being 6'7" and putting on mass and strength the way u shorter guys do. And in case u didnt know benching 350(my max) at 6'7" is like benching over 400 for someone around 6'. The shorter u are the easier it is to put heavy weight up.

[CountVascular]

muppet, why after two previous cycles, would you go to supertest??? I tell you why...it is very very plain and simple. You quoted yourself doing 80ml of d-bol a day for 5 weeks, thats 30 mg higher, and a week longer that someone who has done 5-6 cycles would do. You have gone straight to supertest - not something someone with two cycles (with some serious steroid experience and education would have done) - perhaps I am way off base, but you have wanted to load your body with the maximum strength compounds for the biggest gains in the shortest possible time....and now it hurts. go figure????

[irishyankeenut]

Ya Count, but as he said before....he knows what he is doing!

(ha)

[jjgonz]

if you knew what you were doing as well as you said...then you would have either continued the ST that means super test, until you got different kind of test or you would have stopped everything and jumped on pct so you didnt spike like lunny said and get fucking gyno...thats common sense why do we do pct in the first place to get the boys( your balls) working and making test again otherwise you just have a shit load of estrogen in your body no offense bro but thats basic common sense and knowledge your mentor at school or whoever should have told you that just coming off was a bad idea you didnt think you would have a crash...and bro go get your liver checked out before we hear about you on the news and the country hates aas more than they already do....thats a retarded amount of dbols and then you were gonna follow with winny do you want to kill yourself bro step back and look at this from our point of view man use your head

[shaunpg]

Ur all prolly right about me not knowing as much as i thought and jumping into ST too quick but im sure my liver is fine. My last cycle i ran dbol at 50mg/day for 8 weeks and had my blood tested the day after i stopped and my liver values were perfectly normal. Now granted 80mg is higher plus the winny but it was for a shorter period of time.

[kevin3987]

Ur all prolly right about me not knowing as much as i thought and jumping into ST too quick but im sure my liver is fine. My last cycle i ran dbol at 50mg/day for 8 weeks and had my blood tested the day after i stopped and my liver values were perfectly normal. Now granted 80mg is higher plus the winny but it was for a shorter period of time.
Yes ur prob right' but go c a doc & have that liver checked' if u dont want 2 c ur doc' I am sure ur professor will lead u in the right direction:cool:

[lunny]

Ur all prolly right about me not knowing as much as i thought and jumping into ST too quick but im sure my liver is fine. My last cycle i ran dbol at 50mg/day for 8 weeks and had my blood tested the day after i stopped and my liver values were perfectly normal. Now granted 80mg is higher plus the winny but it was for a shorter period of time.

Hey bro you got to realize that every one on here has tough love!!! We are all on here to show people the right way to do things.. Also sharing our experience's of doing things the wrong way.:D I can tell you i surely don't know every thing but what i dont someone else will. Its like a family here and forgive us if we come off brash but thats how we protect are selfs....

[SteroidalTendency]

Ur all prolly right about me not knowing as much as i thought and jumping into ST too quick but im sure my liver is fine. My last cycle i ran dbol at 50mg/day for 8 weeks and had my blood tested the day after i stopped and my liver values were perfectly normal. Now granted 80mg is higher plus the winny but it was for a shorter period of time.


so what if your liver levels were normal, its not the d-bol that would concern me, its dropping test with no pct, man, this is getting redundant, but dude, if your wondering why you got those sides, you dont know as much as you thought