thanks for all the help last time, so here my final

[allside02]

after reading all the feedback about a previous cycle and a lot of explanation from arnold jr. about d-bol and it's water retention. i was thinking about maybe a cycle like this.

1-8 weeks--Deca Norma 400mg week
1-8 weeks--sustanon 750mg week
1-8 weeks--winstrol 50mg every day
WEEK 9 : 40mg Nolva/100mg Clomid Every Day
WEEK 10 : 30mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid Every Day
WEEK 11: 20mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid Every Day

hope for a lot of feedback because when i get back from vacation i want to place an order. thanks in advance.

[allside02]

sorry i forgot also going to do about 2 weeks of d-bol, 30mgs per day to kickstart. also

1.age---25
2.height---6ft
3.weight--190lbs
4.bf%---never had this done, sorry
5.Goals---to build but try and stay lean, don't want to look bloated and soft.

[aintnothingtoitbuttodoitC]

sorry i forgot also going to do about 2 weeks of d-bol, 30mgs per day to kickstart. also

1.age---25
2.height---6ft
3.weight--190lbs
4.bf%---never had this done, sorry
5.Goals---to build but try and stay lean, don't want to look bloated and soft.

Damn that looks pretty good, but to reach your goals stay on a solid diet plan. That is where the majority of your results will come from. Going to review your stack and get back to make sure it couldn't be better.

[acldestroyer]

after reading all the feedback about a previous cycle and a lot of explanation from arnold jr. about d-bol and it's water retention. i was thinking about maybe a cycle like this.

1-8 weeks--Deca Norma 400mg week
1-8 weeks--sustanon 750mg week
1-8 weeks--winstrol 50mg every day
WEEK 9 : 40mg Nolva/100mg Clomid Every Day
WEEK 10 : 30mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid Every Day
WEEK 11: 20mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid Every Day


Bro that sounds like a BADASS cycle. I'm starting my second cycle later this week: 500Sust+400Deca.

I've already been planning my next cycle and I think I'll steal yours. With the D-bol kickstart of course. Might draw it out to 10 or 12 weeks.

[Kaiser]

after reading all the feedback about a previous cycle and a lot of explanation from arnold jr. about d-bol and it's water retention. i was thinking about maybe a cycle like this.

1-8 weeks--Deca Norma 400mg week
1-8 weeks--sustanon 750mg week
1-8 weeks--winstrol 50mg every day
WEEK 9 : 40mg Nolva/100mg Clomid Every Day
WEEK 10 : 30mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid Every Day
WEEK 11: 20mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid Every Day

hope for a lot of feedback because when i get back from vacation i want to place an order. thanks in advance.


As a side note, if you are worried about the sides of DBol but still want to have your cycle kick in quickly, you can use Durabolin (Not DecaDurabolin) for the first 3.5 weeks the same dosage you would of the Deca. You just need to shoot it a little more often during the week. This will kick in the next day and keep Nandrolone native throughout tthe cycle.

[allside02]

thanks for all the compliments guys. another question i have is if i do the d-bol 30 mgs per day, should i split that up throughout the day somehow, or just take it all at once?

[Kaiser]

thanks for all the compliments guys. another question i have is if i do the d-bol 30 mgs per day, should i split that up throughout the day somehow, or just take it all at once?

You can just take it all at once. Also, after looking at your cycle, are you sure you want to do Winny throughout? This isn't bad, but you'll probably get more out of your cycle moving it to the last 4 weeks.

[erhard]

allside, I noticed you saying you didnt want to look bloated, maybe use some arimidex throughout your cycle to keep your water retention down. Its just and idea, and your cycle looks great. Good luck bro!

[allside02]

kaiser, so what you are saying is move the winstrol to weeks 5-8, and still do 50 mgs everyday? again thanks for all the input. this is my first real cycle that's why i'm kinda wanting to keep things to 8 weeks instead of 12, but definitely for my second cycle things will be 12 weeks. thanks again for all the great suggestions, when i get back from vacation i'm ordering from alin. keep the feedback coming. thanks

[Kaiser]

kaiser, so what you are saying is move the winstrol to weeks 5-8, and still do 50 mgs everyday? again thanks for all the input. this is my first real cycle that's why i'm kinda wanting to keep things to 8 weeks instead of 12, but definitely for my second cycle things will be 12 weeks. thanks again for all the great suggestions, when i get back from vacation i'm ordering from alin. keep the feedback coming. thanks

Yes, exactly. Winny is best used towards the end of a cycle in my opinion ( in a cycle like this). You want to keep the body guessing is the trick. Sort of a shock. Plus its well known for it's natural anti-estrogen qualities so it will help out in that sense. Trick is, keep a main base of test. Then add and subtract things along the way to help keep your body reacting to the chemicals. Since you already have two static compounds Deca and Test, we want to throw it a curve ball. This effect will carve you up at the end of the cycle instead of your body getting used to it after 8 weeks. Also remember the esters in Deca, Winny and Test are going to keep them active for a couple of weeks after your last shot. So essentially do not limit your progress to 8 weeks. Keep pushing all the way through. Good luck on your cycle brother.

[allside02]

kaiser, maybe i didn't read your post right, but i am using deca and sust, maybe that's what you meant, sorry if it was.

thanks again for all your input and support. thanks

[Kaiser]

kaiser, maybe i didn't read your post right, but i am using deca and sust, maybe that's what you meant, sorry if it was.

thanks again for all your input and support. thanks


Yes I know you are.

[allside02]

tha's what i figured, the only question left that i have is i saw a post about a week ago that was an argument about 500mg of sust. or 750mg of sust. per week, does it really matter because i was going to take 750mg per week and since i'm a newbie i figured i would ask, thanks

[Kaiser]

tha's what i figured, the only question left that i have is i saw a post about a week ago that was an argument about 500mg of sust. or 750mg of sust. per week, does it really matter because i was going to take 750mg per week and since i'm a newbie i figured i would ask, thanks


Start off small brother. You can always go up when your body gets used to it. 500 is perfect for what you want. I still see significant gains on 500 even after 17-18 yrs of gear. How new are you to it? Have you done a cycle before? If not there are a couple of other options to consider. If you take the majority of men, and the first time they do a cycle, less is more. Meaning, start off with a test only cycle and learn your body and how it reacts. Add chemical compounds only to achieve a higher standard than what you previously achieved or if your body stops reacting to the previous compound/dosage. More in the beginning will not get you anywhere 2 years down the road. We call it "keep it simple". I say this because people usually over engineer their first cycle. Then what? What worked for you? Would you know? Do you have the ability to tell if it was the Deca or the test that gave you certain gains? Absolutlely not. Again, trick here is to get a physical baseline of your body/chemistry/reaction. I am not trying to scare you and the cycle you have mapped out will definately do you well, but you wont have a valid baseline of your reaction. I stand by this rule all of the time with new guys. Some newer people on here will argue, but I am sure the veterans on here will agree with me. Learn your body first and what each compound will do for you when administering it. People are under the wrong impression that it is a "body in a box" because of how cycles are laid out today. They look, and say, hmm, ok I want that body so I'll guess I am supposed to go with this kit. Be safe brother, and most of all be honest. I'll save you alot of time, wasted gear and money. Lets get you started the right way.

[Kaiser]

Also, note: The cycle you listed is the cycle I just did in November and ended in January, 17 years after my first test only cycle. Even the dosages. I'm 35years old, 6ft normally 268-278lbs, but now cut down to 242. See what I am getting at?

[tatteredxangelx]

If I were you, id run the sus at 750mg just so you can shoot m/w/f to get the best out of the short esters. Deca is good, but you may want to run them 12 weeks, minimum ten. Now the winstrol mg is good, but I would run that the last 6 weeks of a 12 week cycle, and run 40mg of Dbol for the first four. That leave weeks 4-6 with no orals which will drain the dbol water retention and give your liver a break. You will gain the best on this cycle. Good luck brother!

[tatteredxangelx]

BTW, I do agree with Kaesars last post, but runnign Winny for so long is going to be gnawing on your joints. The deca will counteract that and you obviously need the test. If your goals are to stay hard and lean w/ minimum water, a "winny-esque" compound is necessary.

[allside02]

thanks everyone for the input, think that i'll start off with 500mg of sust. for a week or so, or longer if i need to. should i split up the deca mon. and thurs. and then the sust. the same or on different days, when i go for 750mg i will split up m/w/f? thanks again everyone for the continued feedback.

[allside02]

would i be better off starting with the Test only cycle, then move to the cycle i laid out, like kaiser suggested. i am fine with doing so. what type of gains should i expect, changes in my body? with the test only cycle? thanks

[tatteredxangelx]

a sust only cycle will b great. you'll gain around 25-30lbs and keep 15-20 if you do it right. If you are going to use sust you have to shoot it m/w/f for the short esters. If you don't want to shoot 3 days a week or run that high of a dosage, use Test E or Test C at 1cc on mon/fri. Will have the same results, just will take longer to kick in.

[allside02]

sorry for being vague, when i said test, i meant test e. a cycle like this that alin offers;

Week 1 to 10: 500mg of test weekly
wk 13 - 40mg nolva+ 100mg clomid daily
wk 14 - 30mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily
wk 15 - 20mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily
Clenbuterol for PCT


thanks for the advice tatteredxangelx.

[Kaiser]

sorry for being vague, when i said test, i meant test e. a cycle like this that alin offers;

Week 1 to 10: 500mg of test weekly
wk 13 - 40mg nolva+ 100mg clomid daily
wk 14 - 30mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily
wk 15 - 20mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily
Clenbuterol for PCT


thanks for the advice tatteredxangelx.

Assuming Test Sustanon as "test" is what you wan to run. Consider the same just single ester easily controlled Test Enanthate. Very hard to compensate for the variable preservative ester life in Sustanon compared to somethig like TestE. You will save money and get better results almost always with less shots (2 a week: 250 Mon and 250 Thur).
Glad you are seeing clearer. Perfect first cycle above if you ask me. You will get a great baseline, and you will know your body a little more once done. I myself, have never heard of Clen as PCT so if someone has, please shead some light on it for I have no experience in that and would like to know it's counter effects. If it is during cycle to cut up, you can use it through out your cycle and it will cut water along with fat. BUT do 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off. Sounds like you are getting your head in a straighter more diligent direction. Keep it that way and you will be safe and have a baseline of gains for your first cycle. Good luck brother lets us know any other questions. You are learning quickly that less is more for you while starting out.

[tatteredxangelx]

kaiser, Clen prevents muscle from breaking down, so in those 2 "shitty" weeks it is good to have. Plus the energy may help drag your unmotivated, depressed ass to the iron room.

[Kaiser]

kaiser, Clen prevents muscle from breaking down, so in those 2 "shitty" weeks it is good to have. Plus the energy may help drag your unmotivated, depressed ass to the iron room.


Cool, got it. Just never heard of it used specifically for PCT. See, learn something every day.

[allside02]

okay, so i'm sold on the test e. cycle. the only question i have about taking 500mg per week is that the test e. in this cycle comes in 333mg. so how do i draw out the exact 500 amount?

[kaelalden]

It's actually 250mg, and the lab test shows it at 333mg, so it is overdosed.
Just take 2 shots of 1cc and you'll be fine.