Test or Deca

[rza36ch]

Whats goin on, about to get my first cycle 20 years old 5'9 and was wondering should i go with 500mg of test E or 300mg of deca? and should i take anything else to kickstart the process. I already know about pct. Thanks

[jstforme]

testosterone

[JILANI]

Whats goin on, about to get my first cycle 20 years old 5'9 and was wondering should i go with 500mg of test E or 300mg of deca? and should i take anything else to kickstart the process. I already know about pct. Thanks


400mg deca twice a wk for 12wks
500mg test " " " " " " "
30-40mg dbol every day 4-5wks, spacing them out every 4hrs.
if you dont like dbols then try tbols.

[rAJJIN]

Both together. 2ml test per week 1ml Deca.

If your just wanting to do one or the other, do the test as Jstforme says.
300mg deca alone will probably not do much.

where you at now and what are your goals?
You know how important Nutrtion is an anabolics without it are worthless correct?

[rza36ch]

well right now im 165 unfortunately just came back from the citadel and lost 20 lbs but started training again. What are the benefits of taking deca and test compared to just test will i see more side effects if i take both. Yes I make sure all I eat is high protein low fat and all I drink is water,milk and orange juice. Also Im pretty cut upper body wise but I could definetely work on my abs will it help me get cut at all. Thanks again

[rage88]

I'm in the middle of a test e(500mg/wk 250x2) and deca(400mg/wk, 200x2) and I am seeing great gains. I started having a little gyno and week three and began running nolvadex at 60mg/day until the symptoms subsided (about four days), now I take 20mg/day just in case. It's a great combo and I'm seeing great gains. I'd be seeing even better gains if I could afford to eat more, but I am definitely more than satisfied with this combination. I have had no problems with "deca dick", water retention, acne, hair loss, etc. Just the mild gyno which was addressed and corrected very quickly and cheaply. Test enanthate at 500/wk and deca at 400/wk is a great combination for the money any way you look at it. I'd recommend running arimidex .25mg from day one instead of the nolva, but nolva's all I had. Clomid and nolva for PCT.

[arnold jr]

Since it's your first cycle I'd go with test only, see how your body reacts to it, and then consider other compound down the road.

Arnold jr.

[rza36ch]

yeah I think I might just go with Test just to prevent any side effects, plus its cheaper. Do you think 8 weeks is good?

[crytklmass]

test by itself is great, add some deca and hold on, Ive been eating like crazy, weight gains are going through the roof. its an excellent 2nd cycle. my first cycle was test e and dbol 30mg ed 4 weeks. had good results but nothing compares to this. take your first cycle slow. even your 2nd and 3rd should be slow, then when youve learned more you can add diff. compounds and do some testing.. oh ya, taking 40mg anavar ed. 6 weeks, making my arms hard as rocks, cant say anything bad about this cycle, just have to wait for pct and hope not to lose much.

[acldestroyer]

Since it's your first cycle I'd go with test only, see how your body reacts to it, and then consider other compound down the road.

Arnold jr.

I believe this is easily the best answer. The gains of your first Test only cycle will blow your mind.

[malibu350]

I believe this is easily the best answer. The gains of your first Test only cycle will blow your mind.


I third the motion....if you are a little hesitant of injections just try some d-bol...which by itself will give you good results...but you also need to think about some anti e's like arimidex....excess estrogen makes it easier for you to gain fat along with your cycle which will cover up your gains and not let you see all the new hard earned muscle you are getting....

nutrition is just as important if not more important than what type of gear and supps you are on.....if you haven't been on a good program for a while...I know it might be hard especially if you already have some stuff...but I would start back training and get into first...then start your cycle....that way you know for sure if what you are doing is going to work for you....

if you start off with d-bol I would take 30mg a day...1 every 8 hours...to make sure you keep your blood levels where they need to be....if you are taking just d-bol...after you plateau you can up the dosage to maybe 50-60mg a day...after a month or so.....then add in the test...and taper off the d-bol...start test at least 250mg every 3-4 days....Test enthanate is a good place to start....works good for the first cycle.....then after a couple of weeks on the test you can add in Deca if you want....or just finish out the cycle on the test....

one thing i regret of my first cycle is diet...and not properly thinking everything out...I just jumped into it...although I made good gains...and got stronger...I wasn't happy with how I looked...i looked bloated and fat...wasn't a happy camper....and that was just off of test E...I think if I had known about arimidex at the time...I would have gotten better results....If cost is a factor for you as well..you can't go wrong with the d-bol.....

but again diet diet diet...is key!!!!

[rza36ch]

I am pretty good with my diet but as you said I may gain fat. Do you guys think as mentioned earlier if I throw on anavar along with the Test that I will gain more lean mass?

[Kaiser]

I would always recommend going with a lighter cycle for your first one. I realize alot of people recommend stacking right off the bat, but I would prefer you just go with TestE @ 500mg per week. This is a very safe amount and will show little to no side effects. It will also allow your joints to work in more evenly with your growth instead of your muscles overwhelming you joints and tendons. As a rule in the beginning: LESS IS MORE. You will see significant gains from just Test on your first cycle.

[malibu350]

like Kaiser said..if it's your first cycle you will gain a lot more than almost any other cycle.....You should notice gains within a couple of weeks....I agree that Test E is going to be good for your first at 500mg per week or every 3-4 days....

As for adding anavar for fat loss....as most people that are experienced can state...there is no "magic" pill that is going to make you ripped...they can only help in the process...without changing diet and training...and just adding in another supp....you won't lose the fat...just make sure you have your proper diet and eat every 2-3 hours....and eat good like lean beef/chicken/rice/potatoes/pasta......when bulking you can have the cheat meal...but make sure are still getting your proper nutrition.....

if you have a clean diet you will gain good solid mass!

[tatteredxangelx]

yif your going to stack on your first cycle and only want 1 compund, i would run a shot of prop every other day for the first 4 weeks.

[Alin]

Whats goin on, about to get my first cycle 20 years old 5'9 and was wondering should i go with 500mg of test E or 300mg of deca? and should i take anything else to kickstart the process. I already know about pct. Thanks


Both. 500mg Test E wk, 400mg Deca wk

[kmoe7]

heck why not both.... 500 test and 400 deca..always keep test higher than deca and be sure to have a good pct deca will shut ya down hard bro

[OuchThatHurts]

There are many ways you could approach this. First of all, you're 20 yrs young and 165lbs. 4-6000 calories a day will put weight on you pretty fast with a good training routine.

But since you're already inquiring, I'll give you my opinion. You have to approach this as either an androgen-based cycle or an anabolic-based cycle. If you you're going for androgens (test), than you won't need the deca. If you're going to do the anabolic version (deca) than you will need AT LEAST enough test to replace your regular (called endogenous) test levels. This is usually 200-300mg in normal adults. The reason is that even though deca is considered an anabolic it will shut down your HPTA (not least of which would be your balls). Otherwise you will experience those symptoms common to someone with low test levels (loss of libido, fatigue, etc.)

I would stay with a light dose of test for a short cycle (4-6 wks) to see how your body tolerates it. Almost short enough to avoid shuting you down completely. At 20, your test levels are probably fairly high. Are you sure you're done growing? I mean, do you expect to get taller? Pretty young bro. Pretty young. Don't forget PCT as well.

Either that or I'm just old.

For your second cycle, the one Alin described will certainly give you nice results and is similiar to what I'm doing now.