Cycle Check

[viperblue]

I'm 30 and this is going to be my first cycle. I wanted to know your opinions on this cycle.

week 1-4 20mg Dbol daily
week 1-10 250mg Test Enanthate
week 1-10 250mg Deca

pct 3 weeks of Clomid

I will also have nolva on hand for gyno

I know these are lower dosages but I've never used anything so I wanted to start with low doses. Should I see nice gains with this???

[aintnothingtoitbuttodoitC]

Looks good. You could up the d-bol alittle though and run it a week longer.

1-2 Weeks 20mg
3-4 Weeks 30-40mg
5- Weeks 20mg

Personally, I would stay with the Test and Deca. But some people say since it is your first cycle to only go with the Deca to see how you react.

Enjoy

[Dzl55]

I'd personally raise the Test E up to 500mg a week and the deca to 300 to 400mg a week. The dbol looks ok. You could push it up to 25mg a day. I've always used Nolvadex for my PCT as i find clomid makes me moody. For pct the nolvadex works great at 40mg ed week 1 of pct ,30mg ed week 2 of pct ,20mg ed week 3 of pct. Your first cycle is always the best if you do eveything right.

[Tyree33]

This is a solid choice for your first go with AAS, it's a classic. But your gains will not be that signifiigant w/ doses that low even if it's your first time w/ AAS. I suggest a run like this...
*DBOL
wk 1) 20 mg/day
wk 2) 20 to 30 mg/day
wk 3) 30 mg/day
wk 4-6) 30 to 40 mg/day
There is no need to ramp down w/ dbol.
*TEST E
500 mg for 8/10 wks
*DECA
300/400 mg for 8/10 wks
*CLOMID therapy as you have suggested
I usually run Nolva throughout most cycles because I am Gyno prone. If u aren't prone to it your one of the lucky ones. Just keep a close eye on any tenderness or irritation around the nipple area. If that happens I would start the Nolva immediately. I've never heard of anyone becoming moody when the run their Clomid therapy but everyone is different. I wouldn' t sweat it too much.
If you run your cycle similar to what I have suggested you should get nice and swole. Your first run is always the best;). Also make sure you eat right incuding lots of protein and complex carbs and keep your cardio to min. if your looking to bulk. Good luck bro.
-T-

[tatteredxangelx]

up the dosages brotha ... u will gain the most on yer first cycle ... mine as well make it worth it.

[viperblue]

How much nolvadex should I take a day throughout cycle to prevent gyno? Also I've heard of people getting toxicity pains from higher doses of dbol is this not typical, that is why I was keeping it so low. Thanks for all of the input.

[jstforme]

How much nolvadex should I take a day throughout cycle to prevent gyno? Also I've heard of people getting toxicity pains from higher doses of dbol is this not typical, that is why I was keeping it so low. Thanks for all of the input.

i think 20mg daily will be good for nolvadex. as far as the dbol most i would ever do is 40mg, split up throught the day, never felt any pains and havent heard of dbol pains so i dont think its typical, maybe if you do 60mg+ you might get sick.

[Alin]

I'm 30 and this is going to be my first cycle. I wanted to know your opinions on this cycle.

week 1-4 20mg Dbol daily
week 1-10 250mg Test Enanthate
week 1-10 250mg Deca

pct 3 weeks of Clomid

I will also have nolva on hand for gyno

I know these are lower dosages but I've never used anything so I wanted to start with low doses. Should I see nice gains with this???

Try this:
wk1-4 30mg DBOL day
wk 1-10 500mg Test E
WK 1-10 400mg Deca
wk 1-10 0.25-.050mg Arimidex daily

Nolva/Clomid For PCT

[kaelalden]

[QUOTE= But your gains will not be that signifiigant w/ doses that low even if it's your first time w/ AAS.
-T-[/QUOTE]

I beg to differ.....
My first run was deca 200 once a week. I gained 20 pounds.
Bench went up 45 pounds.
Shoulder press went up 25 pounds.
Squat went up 60 pounds.

But I may have reacted differently than what you may react to it.

[Tyree33]

And most people for that matter. Consider yourself genetically blessed then Kael. I don't base my advice on just my own exp w/ gear but rather as other peoples experiences as well. And it is a fact that most people would not get the results they are expecting w/ doses that low. IMO U should get the most out of your first cycle AND this is what works best for MOST PEOPLE. Use either Alins suggestion or my own and you'll be fine brotha.

[viperblue]

Ok, I think I'll up the doses then. I really want to get some nice gains. Thanks for all of your input and I'll let you know how much I gain once cycle is over. Thanks

[viperblue]

Alin suggested using arimidex during the cycle at .25-.5 mg daily. I read that arimidex only stayed with you for 4-6hrs so is one dose a day still enough as an anti-estrogen?? I'm not questioning his advice I'm just curious if I would need to split the dose up and take at 2-3 times throughout the day.

[Tyree33]

As a rule of thumb I usually use .5 a-dex daily when I use it. No need to take seperate doses. Just stick to basics, follow what we have suggested, and only then if u have questions ask away. I hope you understand that I'm not trying to be a dick, but try doing the research on your own; it's out there and I think you'll retain the info better by learning it on your own than by asking question every time u need answers.
-T-

[viperblue]

Tyree, thanks for the info. I have been researching all of this for quite sometime now but you always seem to get different suggestions, even different information from different people or sites. The only reason I asked on splitting the dosage is because I had researched arimidex and saw that it had a short life in the body. Different people suggest different anti-estrogens or estrogen blockers for your cycle but based on what I've read the arimidex seems the best choice considering cost efficiency.
I have another question about my cycle. I have enough test enanthate and dbol to do the dosages you guys recommended. However I only have one 10ml vial of deca so 250mg weekly would be the most I could do for a 10 week period. Would you guys use it at 250mg a week, use it at a higher dose for a shorter period of time during the cycle, or simply save it for a later cycle when I have more so I could use it a higher dose for the full 10 weeks?
Thanks again.

[malibu350]

the only reason to use just one type of gear is so that you know how it will effect you...some types can make you more susceptible to gyno, bloating etc....

but if you are taking arimidex at .5mg a day or 1mg EOD you shouldn't notice any sides at all.

I guess I would consider myself genetically blessed too...I gained at least 20lbs of muscle my first cycle...granted I got some fat with it...but that was because of improper dieting at the time...that was on 500mg of Test E in 2 dosages each week for about 8 weeks. but just like anything else everyone is different....you will get gains on what you proposed...you just may plateau after a couple of weeks and then have to raise the dosages....I would say to try 10mg of D-bol every 8 hours, 250mg of test every 3-4 days along with deca 200-250mg. add in some a-dex EOD and you should be good to go

[Tyree33]

Considering this is your first time I would go ahead and incorporate the deca right away @ 250mg/wk, you won't see that much difference between 250mg and 300mg. Good luck and keep us posted.
-T-

[viperblue]

Malibu and Tyree thanks for the replies and info. I'm going to go with this cycle, I'm starting tonight.

20mg D-bol ED 5mg-10mg-5mg during day for 4 weeks
400mg test enanthate weekly for 10 or 12 weeks (help me decide)
250mg deca weekly for 10 weeks
.5mg arimidex EOD

Clomid and Nolvadex pct

I've read that you should run test 2 weeks longer than deca in your cycle. So should I up the test to 12 weeks or keep it the same length as deca at 10 weeks? Thanks