New Cycle

[skoalands]

I am trying out Sustanon for my first time.
My cycle is laid out like this: 9 weeks of Deca Durabolin 400mg a week
9 weeks of Sustanon 500mg a week
and of course a PCT
I was wondering if this was a good cycle and how good the sus is?

[jstforme]

I am trying out Sustanon for my first time.
My cycle is laid out like this: 9 weeks of Deca Durabolin 400mg a week
9 weeks of Sustanon 500mg a week
and of course a PCT
I was wondering if this was a good cycle and how good the sus is?

as i agree with Beetlejuice on this, 500 sustanon will work well, espeically this being your first cycle, deca is good too at 400, but truthfully i would go 12 weeks.

[Beetlejuice]

Thanks jstfrme. I am gonna bump you here.... the longer you hold that cycle the better your gonna retain your gains.

as i agree with Beetlejuice on this, 500 sustanon will work well, espeically this being your first cycle, deca is good too at 400, but truthfully i would go 12 weeks.

[skoalands]

as i agree with Beetlejuice on this, 500 sustanon will work well, espeically this being your first cycle, deca is good too at 400, but truthfully i would go 12 weeks.

This is not my first cylce it is my fourth, it is just my first time using sus. Should I bumo the intake to 750mg a sus a week for 12 weeks and Any one got a good pct for me

[JILANI]

You should be fine with 500mgs of sust.

[11rdc11]

I agree with everyone to run the cycle for 12 weeks. Keep the sust at 500mg. I personally like running test prop at 50mg ED to 100mg EOD until the longer ester are out of my system to start pct.

For instance

Week 1-12 Sust 500mg a week
Week 1-12 Deca 400mg a week
Week 13-16 Test prop at 50mg ED to 100 mg EOD

Pct starts on week 17

[skoalands]

I agree with everyone to run the cycle for 12 weeks. Keep the sust at 500mg. I personally like running test prop at 50mg ED to 100mg EOD until the longer ester are out of my system to start pct.

For instance

Week 1-12 Sust 500mg a week
Week 1-12 Deca 400mg a week
Week 13-16 Test prop at 50mg ED to 100 mg EOD

Pct starts on week 17

Instead running the test prop what do think about tren 75mg ed

[jstforme]

i wouldnt, the propitionate is there so you can start pct a day of two after your last shot, so the correct day to start pct will be more predicatable since the testosterone is such short lived. i would make one adjustment though. since the sustanon has such a long half life (well deca too) i would start the prop on week 14. reason being is on week 13 that sustanon is still going to be very active and strong, so throwing the prop on top of that would make that week around 850-1000mg.

[bod1ggity]

*sigh*
People shouldnt give advice to someone unless they know their stats. Its really simple, you start off... hey my age is _____, my height is ______ , My Weight is ______, My BF% is ________ ..... this is my ____ time doing gear, My goal is to put on ______ muscle and lost _____ fat..... Ive been working out consistently for _______ months/years like blah blah blah

you need to know basic info like this because its very important to help answer your questions, if someone gives you advice without knowing this I wouldnt personally listen to them, its like saying that the same diet and exercise routine will work for a guy that 270lbs of lean muscle as it would for a guy thats 170lbs and fat. Listen, provied us with basic info and we can help you alot more!

if you give us your stats... it makes it alot easier to give you cycle, diet and workout advice.

1.age
2.height
3.weight
4.bf%
5.Goals
6.Current Diet
7.Current workout plan and how long youve been training

[bod1ggity]

Secondly I would not listen to anyone that would recommend tren or propionate to someone who is doing a build cycle since they are both cutters.... propionate will help you put on lean solid gains and tren will give you massive strength, lean gains and burn a shitload of fat.... this man is obviosly doing a basic "bulk cycle" which means that he is mearly putting on size. Hence forth if you were going to recommend other gear you would say something like this

Sustenon 500mg wk 1-9 (I would use enanthate in place of sus)
Decca 400mg wk 1-9
D-Bol 50mg/ed wk1-6
Arimidex .25mg/ed wk1-9

PCT
Starting @ week 11
Clomid/Nolv Stack... personally I prefer nolv and at my current stage I use 500iu's of HCG eod

if you were going to recommend anything you would recommend other builders... like "hey instead of sustenon, why do you use enantate" (which is much better in my opinion)
This guy is obviously new so why are you going to drag out a long cycle... let him start off with a bulk cycle, 6-8 weeks off and then a cut cycle it will work better for him, not to mention all the hell your putting his receptors through switching test's on him when he's not even used to gear.
Shame on you *waves finger*

[skoalands]

*sigh*
People shouldnt give advice to someone unless they know their stats. Its really simple, you start off... hey my name is ______, my age is _____, my height is ______ , My Weight is ______, My BF% is ________ ..... this is my ____ time doing gear, My goal is to put on ______ muscle and lost _____ fat..... Ive been working out consistently for _______ months/years like blah blah blah

you need to know basic info like this because its very important to help answer your questions, if someone gives you advice without knowing this I wouldnt personally listen to them, its like saying that the same diet and exercise routine will work for a guy that 270lbs of lean muscle as it would for a guy thats 170lbs and fat. Listen, provied us with basic info and we can help you alot more!

if you give us your stats... it makes it alot easier to give you cycle, diet and workout advice.

1.age
2.height
3.weight
4.bf%
5.Goals
6.Current Diet
7.Current workout plan and how long youve been training

Age 22
Height 6'2
Weight 265
Bf 20%
Goal is to weigh around 290 which is pushing it but hopfully I can get there and become much stronger
Diet eat everything in site
My workout plan changes it month, I am currently training with my trainer to get ready for NFL tryouts, I have been training since 14

I have use enanthate in the past and didnt see great results. That why i wanted to try out sus

[jstforme]

bod1ggity: the prop is used only at the end so pct timing is exactly on point. i do agree that i would use enanthate instead of sustanon but this is what he wants to do. i wouldnt say that a 12 week cycle is "dragged out", ive done longer cycles than that and loved them. long acting esters are meant for long cycles(most of the time). and he does say that this will be his 4th cycle so hes not really new to the game. if you think switching from enanthate to propitionate is hell on receptors then what would you call using sustanon that has 4 different esters, suicide?
skoalands: something isnt right with using enanthate and not seeing great results, i can tell you that if you didnt like enanthate then you wont like sustanon either. what are your #s for your diet?

[Beetlejuice]

Thats a good question because he should get something at least. Test E is your best bet here especially if you want to lower the amount of injections you are doing.

bod1ggity: the prop is used only at the end so pct timing is exactly on point. i do agree that i would use enanthate instead of sustanon but this is what he wants to do. i wouldnt say that a 12 week cycle is "dragged out", ive done longer cycles than that and loved them. long acting esters are meant for long cycles(most of the time). and he does say that this will be his 4th cycle so hes not really new to the game. if you think switching from enanthate to propitionate is hell on receptors then what would you call using sustanon that has 4 different esters, suicide?
skoalands: something isnt right with using enanthate and not seeing great results, i can tell you that if you didnt like enanthate then you wont like sustanon either. what are your #s for your diet?

[bod1ggity]

First off, your changine test mid cycle, from a long acting ester(enanthate) to a short acting ester (prop)... while dropping all the other builders... prop is made to build lean muscle period, throwing it in at the end of a bulk cycle really doesnt make sense, basically your overloading him with testoterone for two weeks... he still going to have the sust in his system for close to two weeks and then your bloating him with prop? I think the real problem he has is with his diet... enanthate is one of the best builders out there, followed closely by cypionate and sustenon... I would recommend he work on his diet before he worries about gear, or else he's just throwing his money away... its like buying a ferrari but not putting gas in it.

And the beauty of sustenon is the 4 esters together, im not calling it suicide at all, it has short acting esters that start early and longer acting ones that keep the building going with less frequent injections... im a big fan of sus and omnadren, however I think in the long run enanthate or cypionate are far better builder... more bang for you buck... especially stacked with d-bol/anodrol/equipoise/decca

[bod1ggity]

Age 22
Height 6'2
Weight 265
Bf 20%
Goal is to weigh around 290 which is pushing it but hopfully I can get there and become much stronger
Diet eat everything in site
My workout plan changes it month, I am currently training with my trainer to get ready for NFL tryouts, I have been training since 14

I have use enanthate in the past and didnt see great results. That why i wanted to try out sus

ok so heres my last question before we can start working on your cycle... are you trying to cut fat or are you just trying to reach 290? Do you want to stay around 20% bf? Or is your goal to lose fat? Ive got about 3 cycles in mind right now, but I need a little more info before I can point you in the right direction

[bod1ggity]

Ive recommended this cycle for another peson as well, it really is a beautiful cycle and as long as you keep your intake high it can do wonders for you.

wk 1-6 200 mgs Testosterone Propionate EOD
wk 1-6 150 mgs Nandrolone Phenyl EOD
wk 1-6 Anadrol ED
wk 1-6 20 mgs Nolvadex ED

pct... starting wk 7
wk1 100mg Clomid, 10mg Nolvadex, 4500mg Tribex500 pr day
wk2 75mg Clomid, 20mg Nolvadex, 4500mg Tribex500 pr day
wk3 50mg Clomid, 30mg Nolvadex, 4500mg Tribex 500 pr day
wk4 25mg Clomid, 40mg Nolvadex, 4500mg Tribex500 pr day

I had a friend use this cycle for 6 weeks, he went from 195-222
thats a 27 pound gain, we measured him in the beginning, mid cycle and post cycle and his bf% levels were the same @ the end of the cycle as when he began... his calorie intake was enormous 5500 calories, 6meals a day not skipping any meals, 450-500 grams of protien a day. After his cycle his strength continued to jump like he had never been off of it, it was insane. If you wanted to put on a decent amount of muscle and lose fat you could simply cut down the calorie intake and the prop would shred some fat off of you. Also he only did cardio about once a week, if you stepped yours up too 2 times a week interval sprints it would do wonder.

Oh, and as far as side effects go........he got NO acne (...and he is acne prone), his bp stayed the same as pre-cycle, minimal testicular shrinkage, and no headaches, fevers, or anything like that. Just feeling good all the time.

After 6 weeks off cycle he retained 21 pounds of lean muscle... which is a beautiful gain in 6 weeks

[jstforme]

First off, your changine test mid cycleyour only changing to prop when test levels are decreasing from end of cycle to begining of pct. 1-3 weeks max, from a long acting ester(enanthate) to a short acting ester (prop)... while dropping all the other builders... prop is made to build lean muscle periodcharacteristics of testosterone do no change despite the ester, its only a carrier, throwing it in at the end of a bulk cycle really doesnt make sense, basically your overloading him with testoterone for two weeksthats why i suggest start prop one week after your last sustanon shot, and run it for 2 weeks, then pct... he still going to have the sust in his system for close to two weeks and then your bloating him with prop?during those 2 weeks though, testosterone levels will steady be decreacing, by adding prop you will have a steady level right up to pct I think the real problem he has is with his dieti agree, which is hard to beleive seeing that hes going out for nfl try-outs!... enanthate is one of the best builders out there, followed closely by cypionate and sustenon... I would recommend he work on his diet before he worries about gear agreed, or else he's just throwing his money away... its like buying a ferrari but not putting gas in it.

And the beauty of sustenon is the 4 esters together, im not calling it suicide at all, it has short acting esters that start early and longer acting ones that keep the building going with less frequent injections... im a big fan of sus and omnadren, however I think in the long run enanthate or cypionate are far better builder... more bang for you buck... especially stacked with d-bol/anodrol/equipoise/decca

i dont think your understanding why the propitionate is being incorperated in the cycle at the end. you know that pct timing is crucial starting too early or too late(which is far worse) can mean muscle loss. you should know the half lives of what your on to determine the best timing to start pct. so instead of waiting a week or a week and a half to start pct on sustanon you can start the next day or the day after that with prop. pct timing is more predictable.

[bod1ggity]

My PCT has always been imaculate without having to drag out a cycle for 3 more weeks... im sorry but I just cant agree with you on this issue... its really not hard to plan a pct off of the half life of the ester that your taking and incorperate it so you lose little or none of your gains.

[skoalands]

bod1ggity: the prop is used only at the end so pct timing is exactly on point. i do agree that i would use enanthate instead of sustanon but this is what he wants to do. i wouldnt say that a 12 week cycle is "dragged out", ive done longer cycles than that and loved them. long acting esters are meant for long cycles(most of the time). and he does say that this will be his 4th cycle so hes not really new to the game. if you think switching from enanthate to propitionate is hell on receptors then what would you call using sustanon that has 4 different esters, suicide?
skoalands: something isnt right with using enanthate and not seeing great results, i can tell you that if you didnt like enanthate then you wont like sustanon either. what are your #s for your diet?
I did like the enanthate, but I want to try out the sus, reason for is my buddy use it and saw amazing results and another reason that I would like to try sus is that it has low water retaintion and I like to experiment with new products so I can find, what works the best for me

[skoalands]

ok so heres my last question before we can start working on your cycle... are you trying to cut fat or are you just trying to reach 290? Do you want to stay around 20% bf? Or is your goal to lose fat? Ive got about 3 cycles in mind right now, but I need a little more info before I can point you in the right direction
I would like to stay around the 20% bf but if I gain a little bit of weight that is alright. I have use anadrol before, I dont want to use it on this cycle just because I dont feel like being a water man.

[jstforme]

My PCT has always been imaculate without having to drag out a cycle for 3 more weeks... im sorry but I just cant agree with you on this issue... its really not hard to plan a pct off of the half life of the ester that your taking and incorperate it so you lose little or none of your gains.

ive never done it actually, it was mentioned on here by a moderator a long time ago and seems like a lot of people like it. why are you going to use the term "drag out" makes it sound like its a bad thing. the prop is to make sure your test levels never decreace before pct, which using long esters it would.

[bod1ggity]

ive never done it actually, it was mentioned on here by a moderator a long time ago and seems like a lot of people like it. why are you going to use the term "drag out" makes it sound like its a bad thing. the prop is to make sure your test levels never decreace before pct, which using long esters it would.

I just dont see a need for it, I know myself well enough to pct without the need for this, it just seems very unnecessary... I really see no real point in doing it. Its just from personal experice I never lose gains because I work out my PCT perfectly, I dont see why anyone would really need to do this.

[bod1ggity]

I would like to stay around the 20% bf but if I gain a little bit of weight that is alright. I have use anadrol before, I dont want to use it on this cycle just because I dont feel like being a water man.

then take .25mg of arimidex ed with this cycle until your PCT and you wont retain water.... I still think this cycle would help you alot... also the water is what gives you strenght to make the massive gains, its really not that bad retaining water for 6 weeks because once you pct its all gone and your better then ever.

[11rdc11]

Alright, I didn't mean to start contervesery over the use of test prop. I just use it becuase I do not see why wait 2-4 weeks for a long ester to get out of my system while getting nothing out of it so I run the test prop for those weeks I'm waiting and stop 3 days before I start my pct. I wish Mick was still around here. He could give you great feedback.

I would go with the test E over sust, easier to keep blood levels constant. Also, if you are to run a cycle with deca-durabolin make sure you use it for at least 10-12 weeks. Kaiser also presented an interesting idea as well the other day. Rather than kickstarting a cyle of test E and deca-durabolin with dbol why don't we just kickstart with nnp.

[bod1ggity]

I would go with the test E over sust, easier to keep blood levels constant. Also, if you are to run a cycle with deca-durabolin make sure you use it for at least 10-12 weeks. Kaiser also presented an interesting idea as well the other day. Rather than kickstarting a cyle of test E and deca-durabolin with dbol why don't we just kickstart with nnp.
Total bump, sounds really dead on to me

[skoalands]

Alright, I didn't mean to start contervesery over the use of test prop. I just use it becuase I do not see why wait 2-4 weeks for a long ester to get out of my system while getting nothing out of it so I run the test prop for those weeks I'm waiting and stop 3 days before I start my pct. I wish Mick was still around here. He could give you great feedback.

I would go with the test E over sust, easier to keep blood levels constant. Also, if you are to run a cycle with deca-durabolin make sure you use it for at least 10-12 weeks. Kaiser also presented an interesting idea as well the other day. Rather than kickstarting a cyle of test E and deca-durabolin with dbol why don't we just kickstart with nnp.

What is nnp

[skoalands]

Thanks for all help guys. There is just one more question I have, I am going to split up the sus taking 250 on monday and 250 on thursday, the question I have is should I split up the deca like take 200 on monday and 200 on thurday or just do it all in one shot? I upgraded the cycle so I will be running it for 12 weeks.