confused about PCT

[matttx]

im so confused about PCT.

i thought clomid and novladex is the basic pct.

now im hearing that clomid isnt shit. i dont know what to believe. im about to order my 3rd cycle but now im stuck on my pct. clomid and novladex worked find for me.

[paulwc]

Clomid isn't shit. It's an integral part of AAS PCT for many users. Opinions vary and this being the Internet, people love to plagiarize other's writings or rants about AAS specifics and spam them across the net as their own "Educated" opinion. Read everything you can get your hands on, to include a decent Endocrinology reference (To get the Allopathic perspective [Check a used medical book store]), filter out the BS and make your own decisions.

In the future, there will undoubtedly be better AAS and PCT, and what we now consider to be a good PCT will be surpassed by whatever the future holds. For now, Clomid is pretty darn good, and at a decent cost.

[matttx]

i plan on running test prop for 8weeks and run hcg during the cycle. this will be my first time using hcg. i had good results last time running this cycle.

so should i just run basic pct (clomid and nova)

[espskillz]

use the nolva and clomid and maybe some hcg if you want your balls back fast.

[LeanMass17]

im so confused about PCT.

i thought clomid and novladex is the basic pct.

now im hearing that clomid isnt shit. i dont know what to believe. im about to order my 3rd cycle but now im stuck on my pct. clomid and novladex worked find for me.

I personally like Nolva adn Aromasin for PCT bro, but clomid is by no means shit....I think your headed in a good direction with HCG use during cycle...This will prevent any significant testicular atrophy

[The BB Monad]

Clomid + Nolva is the classic PCT and works for everyone! By no means is Clomid shit.
You can however consider the use of HCG also.

[sami72]

im so confused about PCT.

i thought clomid and novladex is the basic pct.

now im hearing that clomid isnt shit. i dont know what to believe. im about to order my 3rd cycle but now im stuck on my pct. clomid and novladex worked find for me.

what kind of cycle are u doing?

PCT in general depends on what cycle u are on.

If u are on harsh androgens compounds; u might wanna consider an aggressive pct plan too.

what kind of cycle are u considering for your 3rd one??

Sami

[musclemd]

Clomid and Nolva all the way- HCG is great too. I would never leave out clomid in my pct

[metalcavy87]

Clomid and nolvadex are the tried-and-true, battle-hardened backbone of most AAS PCTs. That's not to say they are the only option, but they are among the most well-known and tested.

Alternatives for nolvadex include raloxifene and toremifene citrate (my personal favorite). Clomid may make you an emotional bitch but there's really no substitute for it.

[Krom]

What do you feel the Clomid does?

I did my PCT with Nolva and Aromasin.

[lostwars]

What do you feel the Clomid does?

I did my PCT with Nolva and Aromasin.
do u mean what side afects clomid can have on ones personality,alot
i was all over the shop on it,felt really emotional at times
ive researched aromasin and may give that a go nxt time but i still rate the clomid
its finding wat works best for you,that counts

[advanracing62]

clo and nolva are the staple PCT it seems... that's what I've got planned for my PCT- I concur with the fact that people love to bad mouth things they have no clue about.

[Sbend140]

I've run a standard Clomid/Nolva PCT for 4 weeks and had no sides and was able to keep a majority of my gains. I plan on doing the same at the end of my current cycle.

[LeanMass17]

Clomid and nolvadex are the tried-and-true, battle-hardened backbone of most AAS PCTs. That's not to say they are the only option, but they are among the most well-known and tested.

Alternatives for nolvadex include raloxifene and toremifene citrate (my personal favorite). Clomid may make you an emotional bitch but there's really no substitute for it.

I disagree, clomid can definetly be substituted with Aromasin...

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/anthony-roberts/post-cycle-therapy.htm

[metalcavy87]

I disagree, clomid can definetly be substituted with Aromasin...

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/anthony-roberts/post-cycle-therapy.htm

I tend to take anything Anthony Roberts says with a grain of salt (he's a tool IMO), but his science appears to be correct, at least in the brief scan I did over the article. I'll look at it a little more in-depth later. Thanks for posting that up regardless, if he is indeed correct I will have learned something.

[gambino]

now ar is a guru .. i remember when he was a simple mod at anabolic review ..lol how times change

[lostwars]

now ar is a guru .. i remember when he was a simple mod at anabolic review ..lol how times change
theres plenty of opinions about ar and his science
some hate the guy b/c he has no problem blowing his own trumpet which i tend to agree with
modesty is not a word hes heard off

[IronBod]

Take your clomid bros, theres nothing like a good cry. :D

It does tend to screw with your emotions.. If you can take clomid without
crying once, you know you are a True Man. Or you have finally realized
its in your mind, and you control it. MAN THE FUCK up ! :eek:

[LeanMass17]

I tend to take anything Anthony Roberts says with a grain of salt (he's a tool IMO), but his science appears to be correct, at least in the brief scan I did over the article. I'll look at it a little more in-depth later. Thanks for posting that up regardless, if he is indeed correct I will have learned something.

I find him to be a shithead as well, but I cant argue with the science in that article. I actually follow a combination of Swale and Anthony Roberts...I use Nolva, Aromasin and Vitamin E in his doses post cycle, but take HCG every 4-5 days at 250IUs while on

[cjack62]

I find him to be a shithead as well, but I cant argue with the science in that article. I actually follow a combination of Swale and Anthony Roberts...I use Nolva, Aromasin and Vitamin E in his doses post cycle, but take HCG every 4-5 days at 250IUs while on

I just got off a Tren/Test E cycle...The first time I did this cycle..it really fucked up my sex drive and ability to even get erections. I didn't do a PCT and my own test didn't come back. It really sucked until I did Clomid/Nolvadex PCT and in 3 weeks..everything was better than normal.

This last time I did the same cycle I included Pregnyl/HCG at .500 IU every 5 days and I had major wood. I love that stuff!!!! Afterwards, I did the standard Clomid/Nolvadex PCT and they worked like a charm. Clomid is shit...it's great shit HOWEVER.... I was a friggin emotional bitch. I was crying over some fucking stupid movie...

Just so you know how it works...clomid is a synthetic estrogen...when you introduce estrogen into your system your nuts react and say...hey I need to produce more test and that is what kick starts it. Nolvadex blocks your natural estrogen. HCG keeps your natural test alive and kicking during a cycle and helps on keeping your nuts from shrinking. You still need Clomid even if you use HCG and whatever you do---don't stay on HCG too long. Your Leydig cells will become desensitized and that means your natural test won't start up again.

[LeanMass17]

Amoung other reasons emotional sideffects is why I use Aromasin rather than clomid...As far as destroying your natural Test production through over using HCG, it hasnt been proven in any clinical study...its just a theory...thats why I use such low doses though because it probably has some merit

[metalcavy87]

Amoung other reasons emotional sideffects is why I use Aromasin rather than clomid...As far as destroying your natural Test production through over using HCG, it hasnt been proven in any clinical study...its just a theory...thats why I use such low doses though because it probably has some merit
I find him to be a shithead as well, but I cant argue with the science in that article. I actually follow a combination of Swale and Anthony Roberts...I use Nolva, Aromasin and Vitamin E in his doses post cycle, but take HCG every 4-5 days at 250IUs while on

Swale is a smart cat. His recommendations are generally pretty good.

And yeah, based on the way the negative feedback loop in the endocrine system works, there's probably going to be some hell to pay if a person abuses hCG (esp. because it shuts you down at a higher point on the chain than AAS use), but you should be ok if you use minimal doses as recommended by Swale's protocol. Clinical study or no, it pays to listen to the mantra, "Better safe than sorry."