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[nycbull212]

Hey guys, I just received some beautiful postcards from Alin and am a new user... I'm 22yrs old, 6'1 and about 178lbs. Im very lean and can eat like a racehorse without gaining a pound because of my athletic genes and great metabolism. Heres what I got: 2900mg of BD decabol, 100 tabs of 10mg d-bol, and 10 sus250 glass amps. (also have 100 tabs of 10mg nolvadex and 50 tabs of 50mg clomid). My goal is to reach 195-200 and maintain my gains for a follow up cycle a couple months down the road. I started taking 30mg of D-bol everyday and shot up 500mg of sus and 300mg of deca. In addition I am taking injection of B12 and eating a freezer full of steak, pork, and chicken from the wonderful omahasteaks.com. after 4 days of taking the d-bol, ive noticed the infamous bloat overtaking my ab region so I stopped with the d-bol. I have not been taking any nolvadex so my question is what should I do? start a daily nolvadex routine and then restart with the D-bol in a week or 2 or just leave the d-bol alone (which would be a nice waste of money but id rather not look like an oompa loompa)? thanks for any advice~

[Rhandhular]

If You can eat like a racehorse and not gain a pound then You need to eat more than a racehorse.

[GIO]

Start adding Flax oil to your shakes. Check the salt on those omhasteaks. Drink 1 gal water a day. Take in veggs with protein. Start D-bol & Nolv. 10-20 mg. a day

[jstforme]

im a bit confused...2900mg of decabol. according to BD its 250mg per mL. well that means you have 11.6 mL of this product. that doesnt make sense. then you have have 10 amps of sustanon. to get full benifits of sustanon you should be injecting 3 times a week. that would leave you with a 3 week cycle, but since you didnt know, 500 will work, 400deca is good, but still this is only a 5 week cycle?!
as far as what should you do. well thats up to you, if you want to keep your abs then dont touch dianabol, if you want to grow and get stronger then take it and leave the nolvadex for pct.

[nycbull212]

to clear things up I have a 10ml of 250 decabol =2500mg deca + I have 2 of the organon 200mg vials which gives a grand total of 2900mg.I thought 300mg of deca should suffice but should I get more and go with 400/wk? also 3 injections of sustanon would be 750mg/ wk and Ive heard 500 is plenty. am I wrong there? should I use all my sust and then get another test? any recommendations? I want abs so I guess Ill leave the d-bol alone but should I replace it? I guess alin doesnt give refunds... anybody want 90 dbol sent domestic for half off??

[jstforme]

okay you cleared up that 2900. thanks. yes 300-400 will suffice for deca. the thing with sustanon is it has 4 different testosterones that have 4 different half lifes. i forget off the top of my head but 3 of them will last at least 5 days, But one testosterone called propitionate in sustanon has a very short half life, and is best injected every other day. which means that if you inject sustanon only twice a week your not getting an equall amount of testosterone throught the week compared to if your injecting 3+ times a week, you get what im saying? dont get me wrong, you will see results and plenty of people will do sustanon at 500mg But just for the record its best used 750+mg per week. if going to do 500 most will suggest either test enanthate or cypionate which are perfect for 500mg a week.
dianabol is mostly used to kickstart long acting steroids (enanthate, cypionate)because they usually take a while to show results (3 weeks). But sustanon should show results soon because of the short acting prop.
i suggest keeping the dbol for a winter mass stack, keep your abs for the summer but i would reccomend using it for a bulking stack when your abs dont need to be seen.

[Beetlejuice]

okay I agree with most of what has been said.... I do not agree on the fact that you need to inject 750 mg a week of sustanon. The multiple ester blend is designed to create an even amount of test in your body over a 12-14 day period. You can however do 500 mg a week with 2 injections and do just fine. So long as it isnt the only gear in your system. If you want to mix in some decca or even a little eq that would be a good idea that will help to even out the cycle. Just don't think you need to inject sustanon every other day. 90% of the side effects people get from sustanon comes from using too much. As you approach 1000 mg a week the problems start to become more pronounced. I would recommend that you keep your dosage at 500 mg a week, and don't fall into the trap of think that dipping test levels cause all your sides. Your own body doesnt even produce testerone in even levels everyday. It bounces up and down. So just worry mainly that you keep the levels from dipping really hard.

[jstforme]

"With sustanon, testosterone levels are divided very differently than enanthate or cypionate. Imagine a hypothetical situation where one take either 270 mg of a an ester that lasts 6 days, or 270 mg of a blend of different esters, 90 mg each, that release over respectively 2, 4 and 6 days, (sustanon) With the first one, an even amount of testosterone is released on each day. With sustanon, the entire first ester, half the second ester and 1/3rd of the last ester is released within the first two days. The result here is clear : the first two days one gets 165 mg, the next two one gets 75 mg and the last 2 days one gets a mere 30 mg. The levels peak much sooner, and drop off sooner, leaving you with less than adequate androgen levels as the week draws to a close."
like i said, you will clearly see results from sustanon i dont doubt that, but IMO its best kept at 750mg, anything under that leave it to a single ester testosterone. i do know that over time sustanons longer ester will build a more steady amount of testosterone but still i dont think 500mg of sustanon would compare to 500mg of cyp. or enan.

[nycbull212]

thanx for the feedback, its very helpful. My question now is if I use the sust up, can I then change to one test such as 500mg /week of cyp? and what about suspension(where can I even get that?) also how is just taking one test better than takin a blend like in sust? Logically, I would think an intake of 4 different tests would create better gains than just one, or is that ideology wrong? last question, with deca and my sus, do I need to take them on the same days every week or does it not really matter? thanks~ :cool:

[nycbull212]

what should my workout cycle look like? right now Im doing biceps, triceps, day off, then chest and shoulders with obliques and abs everyday....

[jstforme]

yes you can use the sustanon up then go to cypionate. i think Alin sells suspension but im not positive, propitionate is close enough. About the testosterones....alot of newbies will opt for sustanon because it has 4 awesome different testosterones intsead of just one puny test ester. i dont like this thinking, and ive said before that some companies (not Alin) will use this as marketing ploy. im no scientist so this might not be right word for word,but different testosterones have differnt numbers of carbon atoms, the longer the chain of carbons means the longer esters which the end result is it takes more time to kick in but last a lot longer. testosterone suspension has no ester, its pure testosterone, and because its not attached to an ester its half life is very short and should be injected ED or EOD. testosterone enanthate i think has 8 carbons (which is long) cypoinate has 7 carbons, they both will last several weeks in the blood.

[Rhandhular]

what should my workout cycle look like? right now Im doing biceps, triceps, day off, then chest and shoulders with obliques and abs everyday....
When do you do back and legs?

[Beetlejuice]

Again I agree with much of what you said, but clearly this is not a 6 day test, it is a long term 12-14 day blend. Sustanon can remain in your body for up 30 days. In some cases 250 mg a week is sufficient. It is a myth that you need eod injections to keep your test levels high eneough. The following is a typical profile regarding sustanon. It states the same thing that 90 percent of the sust profiles all over the web state. It is a long lasting test blend, that maintains a fairly even level of test in your system for quite sometime. 1 injection a week could be sufficient. I always spread mine out to two, as long as it is mixed with another aas of the same class. here is the profile

Sustanon 250




Description
Courtesy Anabolics.com

Sustanon 250 is an oil-based injectable containing four different testosterone compounds: testosterone propionate, 30 mg; testosterone phenylpropionate, 60 mg; testosterone isocaproate, 60mg; and testosterone decanoate, 100 mg. The mixture of the testosterones are time-released to provide an immediate effect while still remaining active in the body for up to a month. As with other testosterones, Sustanon is an androgenic steroid with a pronounced anabolic effect. Therefore, athletes commonly use Sustanon to put on mass and size while increasing strength. However, unlike other testosterone compounds such as cypionate and enanthate, the use of Sustanon leads to less water retention and estrogenic side effects. This characteristic is extremely beneficial to bodybuilders who suffer from gynecomastia yet still seek the powerful anabolic effect of an injectable testosterone. The decreased water retention also makes Sustanon a desirable steroid for bodybuilders and athletes interested in cutting up or building a solid foundation of quality mass. Dosages of Sustanon range from 250 mg every other week, up to 2000 mg or more per week. These dosages seem to be the extremes. A more common dosage would range from 250 mg to 1000 mg per week. Although Sustanon remains active for up to a month, injections should be taken at least once a week to keep testosterone levels stable.
A steroid novice can expect to gain about 20 pounds within a couple of months by using only 250 mg of Sustanon a week. More advanced athletes will obviously need higher dosages to obtain the desired effect. Sustanon is a fairly safe steroid, but in high dosages, some athletes may experience side effects due to an elevated estrogen level. With dosages exceeding 1000 mg a week, it is probably wise to use an antiestrogen such as Nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate) or Proviron (mesterolone). The use of Sustanon will suppress natural testosterone production, so the use of HCG (human chorionic gonadotropin) or Clomid (clomiphene citrate) may be appropriate at the end of a cycle. Sustanon 250 is a good base steroid to use in a stack. Athletes interested in rapid size and strength gains find that Sustanon stacks extremely well with orals such as Anadrol® (oxymetholone) and Dianabol (methandrostenlone). On the other hand, Sustanon also stacks well with Parabolan (trenbolone hexahydrobencylcarbonate), Masteron (drostanolone propionate), and Winstrol (stanozolol) for athletes seeking the hard, ripped look. Sustanon 250 is quite abundant on the US black market.

One of the more common versions is the Russian Sustanon 250 manufactured in India. Thousands of these amps are smuggled into the East Coast of the United States where they are then made readily available to bodybuilders. Average price is around $15-$20 an amp, but prices as low as $5 an amp are available to some individuals who can purchase the amps as soon as they come ashore. The Russian Sustanon comes in plastic strips of five covered with a white paper and imprinted with blue ink. More recent lots of Russia Sustanon have the expiration date printed numerous times in purple ink going lengthwise in a line across the strip of five ampules. The ampules have a white paper label imprinted with blue ink. Don't be surprised if the labels are crooked or peel off easily. The labels on Russian Sustanon are commonly glued on crooked, and should peel off, but not in one piece. Also, don't be alarmed if the amps come loose without the plastic strip. The plastic strip is often thrown away to make it easier to smuggle the amps into the country. There is little need to worry about the legitimacy of Russian Sustanon. The World Anabolic Review mentions a counterfeit with rounded corners on the label, but this fake is rarely seen on the US black market.

Another popular version of Sustanon is the Sostenon 250 rediject manufactured by Organon in Mexico. The redijects are very common to the southern region of the United States because they are frequently smuggled over the border after being purchased in Mexican pharmacies. The price for a Sostenon rediject is about $8 in Mexico. In the United States, they are often sold for $20 a piece. Each Sostenon 250 rediject comes packaged in a plastic tray with a foil covering. The World Anabolic Review shows a picture of a rediject with the needle attached. This picture is outdated because Organon recently began manufacturing the Sostenon 250 redijects without the needle attached. The redijects are often favored by many because of their difficulty to counterfeit. However, recently, bodybuilders have complained about some underdosed redijects circulating on the black market in Texas. Fortunately, these underdosed redijects do not seem to be widespread. In the meantime, the chances of getting a fake rediject are still very slim. Less common, but still seen on the US black market are the European versions of Sustanon from countries like Italy, Portugal, and England. All of these amps are scored and have a white label that is difficult to peel off. The amps and boxes should have the lot number and expiration dated stamped on it.




"With sustanon, testosterone levels are divided very differently than enanthate or cypionate. Imagine a hypothetical situation where one take either 270 mg of a an ester that lasts 6 days, or 270 mg of a blend of different esters, 90 mg each, that release over respectively 2, 4 and 6 days, (sustanon) With the first one, an even amount of testosterone is released on each day. With sustanon, the entire first ester, half the second ester and 1/3rd of the last ester is released within the first two days. The result here is clear : the first two days one gets 165 mg, the next two one gets 75 mg and the last 2 days one gets a mere 30 mg. The levels peak much sooner, and drop off sooner, leaving you with less than adequate androgen levels as the week draws to a close."
like i said, you will clearly see results from sustanon i dont doubt that, but IMO its best kept at 750mg, anything under that leave it to a single ester testosterone. i do know that over time sustanons longer ester will build a more steady amount of testosterone but still i dont think 500mg of sustanon would compare to 500mg of cyp. or enan.

[jstforme]

I agree with what your saying Beetlejuice and agree with that article. these are the half lifes of the testosterones in sustanon:
propitionate: 2 days
phenylpropitionate: 4.5 days
isocaproate: 9 days
decanoate: 15 days

and if injecting only twice a week, it is not enough for the propitionate to yield resutls, but most will never notice because of the other testosterones. all im saying is to get the full benefit of all 4 testosterones it is best to be injected 3+ times a week.

[nycbull212]

so after I run out of the sust, would I be better with cyp or EQ? :cool:

[Beetlejuice]

point well taken. :)


I agree with what your saying Beetlejuice and agree with that article. these are the half lifes of the testosterones in sustanon:
propitionate: 2 days
phenylpropitionate: 4.5 days
isocaproate: 9 days
decanoate: 15 days

and if injecting only twice a week, it is not enough for the propitionate to yield resutls, but most will never notice because of the other testosterones. all im saying is to get the full benefit of all 4 testosterones it is best to be injected 3+ times a week.

[rontg]

what should my workout cycle look like? right now Im doing biceps, triceps, day off, then chest and shoulders with obliques and abs everyday....

um. did your legs get bitten off by a shark? sorry its 6am and i'm studying, trying to have a sense of humor, anyway...seriously gotta work the legs man they are the biggest muscles in the body and if you dream of a big upper body you gotta work the lower too. please tell me your not the guy in the gym staring at himself in the mirror while doing bicep curls......

[nycbull212]

i dont place as much emphasis on the legs at the gym since I ride a bike 5 miles and run daily. what else should I be doing

[JILANI]

i dont place as much emphasis on the legs at the gym since I ride a bike 5 miles and run daily. what else should I be doing

Squats#1, leg raises, lunges, calf raises, dead lifts, etc, if you dont work your legs you may wind up looking like a light bulb.

[Rhandhular]

i dont place as much emphasis on the legs at the gym since I ride a bike 5 miles and run daily. what else should I be doing
What exactly are your goals? You don't do legs. It looks like you don't do back. What is the purpose of you using steroids? And no, riding a bike 5 miles a day will not make your legs bigger.

[nycbull212]

fine Ill start doin the legs. My goal is mainly the upper body though since my legs are pretty refined. I want to get in the 200 range and right now Im at 180 and climbing. Im not talking about a gym bike- Im talking about through Central park every day with hills and stuff...

[bod1ggity]

okay I agree with most of what has been said.... I do not agree on the fact that you need to inject 750 mg a week of sustanon. The multiple ester blend is designed to create an even amount of test in your body over a 12-14 day period. You can however do 500 mg a week with 2 injections and do just fine. So long as it isnt the only gear in your system. If you want to mix in some decca or even a little eq that would be a good idea that will help to even out the cycle. Just don't think you need to inject sustanon every other day. 90% of the side effects people get from sustanon comes from using too much. As you approach 1000 mg a week the problems start to become more pronounced. I would recommend that you keep your dosage at 500 mg a week, and don't fall into the trap of think that dipping test levels cause all your sides. Your own body doesnt even produce testerone in even levels everyday. It bounces up and down. So just worry mainly that you keep the levels from dipping really hard.

Bumping Beetlejuice
I agree, this guy is obviously new and your telling him to inject 750mg/wk? Just so he can get a little more prop? The beauty of sustenon is that the short acting esters kick in so you feel it almost instantly and then it braches out with the longer esters... if he injects 750mg/wk he will probably get the dreaded fever and possibly bring on gyno if he is prone to it, his receptors are too new to take that much tes... thats why I would stick with tes-enan if I was a newb, its easy, and it builds better than sus.

[bod1ggity]

fine Ill start doin the legs. My goal is mainly the upper body though since my legs are pretty refined. I want to get in the 200 range and right now Im at 180 and climbing. Im not talking about a gym bike- Im talking about through Central park every day with hills and stuff...

Working legs will work your whole body, do squats, they will help build your upper body as well as toss on some quality weight.

[anaholic]

run the dbol and decca together until gone then run the sust until its gone then take the clomid, take the nolvadex as needed, get some dyazide or lasix and take it as needed for bloat.