BP crappy gains??!!!

[canuk80]

:confused:I can't figure out what the hell is up here. Doing a BP sust and EQ cycle. I am on week number 5 and only gained 4 lbs. I'm taking 500mg sust and 400 mg of EQ a week. Protien at 300gr a day and 5500 cals as well. I am 175lbs at 5' 6". Its not a question of my rest or the intensity on which I am training, both are on target. Anybody have any answers for me i'd greatly appreciate them. This is my 3rd cycle and I have not ever seen delayed gains like this. Not trying to rip on BP just would like some answers on the topic. By the way they are quad injections. Thanks.

[DEADBOLT]

you should start seeing the results in the mirror any day now. Are you taking letro? I find when I take letro I don't get all the water weight, so four pounds of muscle isn't bad considering the shit has barely kicked in.

[lola26]

shit... something is wrong there. i gain more than 5lbs of bloat in the first 10 days using real sust.

[jchh]

How often are you injecting?
If you are only pinning once a week your results probably will suffer.
I did BP sust alone/pinning eod and was feeling test within a week.

[J-ROD]

Looks like you may need to up the protien. Can you break down your daily diet with times and your ratios? And what does your training look like... maybe you're over training?

[canuk80]

I'm not taking anything to fight water retention right now. I am injecting twice a week, 1ml sust and 1ml eq in the same pin. So 2ml pins twice a week.

[cjjrwe]

I am taking 500 mg Sust and 200 mg Deca weekly and I felt the sust fairly quick, and the Deca did help with the old joints, I think it took around three weeks to kick in, then over the next three weeks I gained 12 lbs and my body fat stayed the same. I don't know, your calories are high, maybe you could up the protein a little, but I think you should have gained more by now. What about other effects, e.g. sex drive, acne, etc?

[Mighty_Centaur]

I'm taking BP sust@750mg and BP EQ@500mg; I gained 6lbs. in under 2 weeks on a 4k cals and 300+ protein. Maybe it's your training, I'm doing DC based training. I felt the test in 1 dayand i don't have my nagging shoulder pain anymore to boot. Post your accurate stats.

[kevin3987]

Reply brother I am gettin ready to run the same cycle.... except 500mg of sustamed & 400 of deca..& kickstart with D's a lil different.. A question does ur eq have Lot#'s etc..?????

[cjjrwe]

I am taking 500 mg Sust and 200 mg Deca weekly and I felt the sust fairly quick, and the Deca did help with the old joints, I think it took around three weeks to kick in, then over the next three weeks I gained 12 lbs and my body fat stayed the same. I don't know, your calories are high, maybe you could up the protein a little, but I think you should have gained more by now. What about other effects, e.g. sex drive, acne, etc?

I forgot to add that it is not BP nor Alin's gear.

[King Leesus]

How often are you injecting?
If you are only pinning once a week your results probably will suffer.
I did BP sust alone/pinning eod and was feeling test within a week.

Can't agree with this. Everyone's body will react different.

My body reacts to the gear 150% better when I inject once a week. No explanation. I just get way better results.

[rossalini]

Looks like you may need to up the protien.

my guess too.

[jjgonz]

maybe you got some bunk product bro...:eek:

[lastblondbb]

Im running the same cycle starting Jan 1st but dosing @ 612mg WK Sust and 612mg WK EQ. Might be a little higher Sust dose still debating. Any who, 300g of protein should be enough for a 175lb man on gear. Is your BF% going down or something?

[anhuka]

give it a few more weeks up the protein

[Tyrone]

give it a few more weeks up the protein

He didn't get it from Alin he said........

[DEADBOLT]

He didn't get it from Alin he said........

I think just his Eq isn't from alin.

[canuk80]

They are both BP products, my bench went up only 10 lbs, deadlifts 20lbs and squats fuck only 15 lbs. I have high expectations with everything that i do and on how hard I hit the weights. Like i said it's not a question of my recovery time cause I am in two days then off for one with my training. I have novaldex for a pct, clomid never came so i am kind of fucked there but the novaldex should do. I'll give it three more weeks then start a pct right away if no gains are seen as a precaution. Thanks for the feedback bros.

[blackson]

They are both BP products, my bench went up only 10 lbs, deadlifts 20lbs and squats fuck only 15 lbs. I have high expectations with everything that i do and on how hard I hit the weights. Like i said it's not a question of my recovery time cause I am in two days then off for one with my training. I have novaldex for a pct, clomid never came so i am kind of fucked there but the novaldex should do. I'll give it three more weeks then start a pct right away if no gains are seen as a precaution. Thanks for the feedback bros.

I'm on day 13 of Sustamed 250 injecting every third day along with 200mg NPP in the same pin and I've gained 7lbs? Sex drive is up, acne is up, hair is falling out so I can say for certain the shit is real...

[lostwars]

are u sure u are eating 300g of protein a day and over 5000cals aday?
from youre post u are 5"6 and 176lbs which is quite light for a guy who eats that amount of protein and cals everyday,im not suggesting that this is the answer but i would check to see if youre numbers are right
im 205lbs and i just about manage to eat 300g of protein aday,its not easy to get over 5000cals into ye either
if youre source of protein is shakes u wana change it to real foods
its understandable you may get 1 product that may fall short of standards but not 2,if that was the case there would be no board here at all cause we wouldnt be happy campers and alin wouldnt have so many happy customers
im not getting up on youre back here but you must know the reason to why this is friend,if youre diet is 100%..ive never seen anything like this before
how long is it since ure last cycle and did u give youreself plenty of time to recover?
hope it takes of for ye soon

[golden_arm]

are you at least feelin the increase in appetite EQ is so famous for?

[fattcat]

im runnig a test-e and tren-a cycle right now and i didnt see gains until my 4th week.

[blackson]

are u sure u are eating 300g of protein a day and over 5000cals aday?
from youre post u are 5"6 and 176lbs which is quite light for a guy who eats that amount of protein and cals everyday,im not suggesting that this is the answer but i would check to see if youre numbers are right
im 205lbs and i just about manage to eat 300g of protein aday,its not easy to get over 5000cals into ye either
if youre source of protein is shakes u wana change it to real foods
its understandable you may get 1 product that may fall short of standards but not 2,if that was the case there would be no board here at all cause we wouldnt be happy campers and alin wouldnt have so many happy customers
im not getting up on youre back here but you must know the reason to why this is friend,if youre diet is 100%..ive never seen anything like this before
how long is it since ure last cycle and did u give youreself plenty of time to recover?
hope it takes of for ye soon


I can garantee he's not eating 5000 cals a day and only weighing 176lbs, if he was eating 5000 cals a day he would be gaining so much weight with or without steriods and probably weigh around 240lbs... go check out fitday.com and you'll be able to see what you're actually eating and where to make adjustments.

[canuk80]

Honestly for the last 4 weeks my cal intake is between 4500-5000 cals. Most of the cals are from a weight gainer shake . One shake is 1050 cals, and 56g protein. I can only guess that there is no way my body can absorb all of those cals in one sitting. With a higher protein synthesis I know I am using all of the protien. during work on an 8 hr shift I only get a 1/2 hr break. So I am only intaking solids during that 1/2hr. But prior to that I fire back a wieght 2 1/2hrs before lunch and 2 1/2hrs after. My breakfast each day consists of a bagle, 1/2 serving of my wieght gainer( 525 cals, and 23g protien + 1 1/2 cup skim milk) 1 chicken breast. I will have to check out that site, thanks bud. As well as I just changed my quad shots to glute shots. I do have a higher sex drive (fuck thats always been there!) and acne is present. Well see over the next couple weeks. Keep you updated.

[canuk80]

Sorry, forgot to add in. My last cycle was two months ago, Sust and Deca. Now that was some horrible shit (not from Alin by the way). I did grab some sust amps (organon) from alin and it was good shit.

[golden_arm]

sounds like your using QuickMass. Excellent stuff, but dont rely too heavily on it, whole food always the way to go. In terms of weight gainers thats probably the best one out there IMO. Try mixing a half serving of that with two scoops of Optimum Nutritions 100% Whey, 6 times a day with each meal. That'll put some size on ya, goodluck brother!

[metalcavy87]

I can garantee he's not eating 5000 cals a day and only weighing 176lbs, if he was eating 5000 cals a day he would be gaining so much weight with or without steriods and probably weigh around 240lbs... go check out fitday.com and you'll be able to see what you're actually eating and where to make adjustments.

Wow, that fitday website is amazing, I didn't even know about that. Thanks for pointing that out bro, will def. be using that in a month or two with the next cycle. Has anyone used the software version? I'm considering buying it.

[canuk80]

actually the brand is PVL mutant mass, it's a Canadian company out of B.C , it mixes great and is the only weight gainer that never made me fell like pucking it all back up after drinking it! But I will have to try breaking up my reg servings of the weight gainer amd mixing it with my protien. B.T.W, up to 179 from 175. Hope it's the start of somthing good! Thanks all. I never ran a cutting cycle and was going to run Injectable winny and clen. What is the best type of test to run with a cutting cycle and is there a ratio from test to the winny? As well is Steril water or Vit B comp the best to mix with the test during that cycle. I never done a 50mg injection so the mixing aspect will be new to me. I will be running this cycle in the spring.

[Benner]

Sorry, forgot to add in. My last cycle was two months ago, Sust and Deca. Now that was some horrible shit (not from Alin by the way). I did grab some sust amps (organon) from alin and it was good shit.

Your last cycle was 2 months ago?!?! And you are in your 5th week of your current cycle, am I understanding you correctly? If thats the case your receptors could be fried and need a substantial break. Think about it bro, you may need to recover big time before cycling again. Best of luck

[anhuka]

Your last cycle was 2 months ago?!?! And you are in your 5th week of your current cycle, am I understanding you correctly? If thats the case your receptors could be fried and need a substantial break. Think about it bro, you may need to recover big time before cycling again. Best of luck

good point:cool:

[canuk80]

No, sorry bud. What I meant to say is that I took a two month break. Finished my last cycle in Aug. Started this one in Nov. This week seemed to be a huge turn around, mentally in check when i'm hitting the weights. For the last month it seemed as though I was not into it, it's almost as if I was dreading going to the gym. But this week i'm like a fucking mad man. Bench keeps shooting up, deadlifts up to. Squats still seem to be lacking to my standards but i'll fix that. Sorry for the the post mistake. I would never shoot from one cycle to the other without taking two months. That should be a long enough break right? Basicaly it's one month off when I count my pct, I was using arimidex with my last cycle and novaldex for a month after. I am going to kill this cyucle off with two weeks at 40mg novaldex, one week at 30mg and two weeks at 20mg. I couldn't get my hands on any clomid but still trying. Any opinions on that pct? Thanks.

[lostwars]

youre not taking enough time off..its that simple
and youre PCT is v bad,i know u dont think youre PCT is as important as youre cycle,its just as important
if you can get injectable steroids and the like u can get proper PCT drugs
spend wisely on pct and you have more chance keeping all those hard fought gains,not to mention costly cycles yore paying out for
at the end of the day its image and health were striving for here,if u continue like this youll have neither

[canuk80]

Do you have a better suggestion on a pct rather then just running the Novaldex??

[lostwars]

Do you have a better suggestion on a pct rather then just running the Novaldex??
im not flaming you maybe came across that way,what i would do is order clomid and hcg at least and run hcg at 250iu every 5days from the day u get it untill the end of cycle and then follow normal pct protocal for hcg-nolva and clomid
youre ok with the way u said u were going to take the nolva post cycle
add in the clomid and youll be great in no time,if u gotta order it via the shop it be wise to do friend
peace

[anhuka]

nova + clomid it´s a must have

[canuk80]

Thanks bud, golden advice. By the way I wasn't pissed about the way you put it, the only way to learn is to ask and so I do. Thanks again!

[ironwill2006]

Best thing about canada is that bloodtests are free. If you ever doubt your sh*t just hit up your doc. Toremifene is good for pct too. Instead of nolva + clomid. You feel like less of a b*tch.

[supermatt]

:confused:I can't figure out what the hell is up here. Doing a BP sust and EQ cycle. I am on week number 5 and only gained 4 lbs. I'm taking 500mg sust and 400 mg of EQ a week. Protien at 300gr a day and 5500 cals as well. I am 175lbs at 5' 6". Its not a question of my rest or the intensity on which I am training, both are on target. Anybody have any answers for me i'd greatly appreciate them. This is my 3rd cycle and I have not ever seen delayed gains like this. Not trying to rip on BP just would like some answers on the topic. By the way they are quad injections. Thanks.

Don't worry man, the longer esters in Sus take 4-5 to kick in, and Equipose takes even longer like 8 weeks. That's why so many guys kickstart their cycle for the first 4-6 wks with Dbol. By the way Balkan Pharmaceuticals are good: My test was seized but my BP dbol got through and I've been taking it to prevent post cycle muscle loss. It's done more than that, I'm getting stronger too!

[remzi]

Best thing about canada is that bloodtests are free. If you ever doubt your sh*t just hit up your doc. Toremifene is good for pct too. Instead of nolva + clomid. You feel like less of a b*tch.

Damn your avatar looks like my ex.

[J-ROD]

Do you have a better suggestion on a pct rather then just running the Novaldex??

Nolvadex
Clomid
Tribulus (4-5g)
X-Factor
ZMA

These are all things people use, i am going to try X-Factor when i finish my next one with my normal Nolv, Trib and ZMA.

[lostwars]

Nolvadex
Clomid
Tribulus (4-5g)
X-Factor
ZMA

These are all things people use, i am going to try X-Factor when i finish my next one with my normal Nolv, Trib and ZMA.
i like that pct,im gonna add some trib on my next pct also

[STEEDA69]

It's NO wonder AAS is such a taboo in todays society! I'm not trying to sound condescending here but you really should do some research on AAS, nutrition and lifting because every post you've written is ridiculous!


You ONLY gained 4lbs in 5 weeks???? Something must be wrong!!!!

No, nothings wrong except your perception of what you think should be happening! 4 lbs in 5 weeks is almost 1lb per week (lets say for arguments sake)... That would equate to 52lbs per year, which, by the way, ANY of us would LOVE to be able to gain in a single year! DO you know that some Pro's struggle to put on 10lbs of muscle in a year and they're consuming 4X the AAS as you and double the calories??? I didn't think so!

As far as "time-off" cycles.... Two months is NOT enough time and time off should be TIME OFF!!!! It DOES NOT include your PCT!!!! Furthermore, at almost 1 gram of combined test per week, simply taking N-dex is as good as taking nothing! You almost certainly should include HCG, Clomid, N-dex and a few other items to fully recover! The recovery stage is far more important than the actual cycle! What's the point of gaining muscle to finally lose it due to a poor PCT???

I agree with most of the others in that your receptors are probably fried at this point and you are therefore seeing an elevation in side effects vs. Muscle weight gain! You need to re-vamp your diet as well. Weight gainers are SUPPLEMENTS....Which means they should supplement your whole food diet! You should get at least 75% of your daily nutritional requirements from Whole foods!

I could go on and on but I'm tired of typing! I'm NOT trying to flame you but it's obvious that you need to do some research on this all IF you ever want to enjoy even the least bit of success! This sport takes a LOT, mentally and physically.... Reading and following what the next guy suggests on the local forum is no-where near enough!

I hope you find better success in the future;

STEEDA~

[lostwars]

It's NO wonder AAS is such a taboo in todays society! I'm not trying to sound condescending here but you really should do some research on AAS, nutrition and lifting because every post you've written is ridiculous!


No, nothings wrong except your perception of what you think should be happening! 4 lbs in 5 weeks is almost 1lb per week (lets say for arguments sake)... That would equate to 52lbs per year, which, by the way, ANY of us would LOVE to be able to gain in a single year! DO you know that some Pro's struggle to put on 10lbs of muscle in a year and they're consuming 4X the AAS as you and double the calories??? I didn't think so!

As far as "time-off" cycles.... Two months is NOT enough time and time off should be TIME OFF!!!! It DOES NOT include your PCT!!!! Furthermore, at almost 1 gram of combined test per week, simply taking N-dex is as good as taking nothing! You almost certainly should include HCG, Clomid, N-dex and a few other items to fully recover! The recovery stage is far more important than the actual cycle! What's the point of gaining muscle to finally lose it due to a poor PCT???

I agree with most of the others in that your receptors are probably fried at this point and you are therefore seeing an elevation in side effects vs. Muscle weight gain! You need to re-vamp your diet as well. Weight gainers are SUPPLEMENTS....Which means they should supplement your whole food diet! You should get at least 75% of your daily nutritional requirements from Whole foods!

I could go on and on but I'm tired of typing! I'm NOT trying to flame you but it's obvious that you need to do some research on this all IF you ever want to enjoy even the least bit of success! This sport takes a LOT, mentally and physically.... Reading and following what the next guy suggests on the local forum is no-where near enough!

I hope you find better success in the future;

STEEDA~

great post
very well said

[375RANGER]

dude how old are you? i've seen juice not help guys to young.

hey steeda, i'm not sure i agree with you here. you cannot compare pros to a guy that has run 1-2 cycles. it's like a 400 lbs guy that goes on a diet, the first week he losses 15 lbs and so on for the next couple of weeks . then he hits a wall, he's working harder but only losses 4 lbs that week. just like the pros, at that level the gains are much slower, and much harder to come by. this guys 2-3 cycle he should be atleast double where he is. imo

[broch landers]

Steed is so right, pct and proper recovery (even after pct) is essential! like a dumb ass i made the mistake of jumping on cycle 5 weeks after i just did a cycle! Worst mistake ever. BP pressure was sooooo fucking high i thought i was gunna have a heart attack once. Acne was horrible and caused light scaring. etc etc..........it fucking sucked!

[SwoleTexasKid]

It's NO wonder AAS is such a taboo in todays society! I'm not trying to sound condescending here but you really should do some research on AAS, nutrition and lifting because every post you've written is ridiculous!


No, nothings wrong except your perception of what you think should be happening! 4 lbs in 5 weeks is almost 1lb per week (lets say for arguments sake)... That would equate to 52lbs per year, which, by the way, ANY of us would LOVE to be able to gain in a single year! DO you know that some Pro's struggle to put on 10lbs of muscle in a year and they're consuming 4X the AAS as you and double the calories??? I didn't think so!

As far as "time-off" cycles.... Two months is NOT enough time and time off should be TIME OFF!!!! It DOES NOT include your PCT!!!! Furthermore, at almost 1 gram of combined test per week, simply taking N-dex is as good as taking nothing! You almost certainly should include HCG, Clomid, N-dex and a few other items to fully recover! The recovery stage is far more important than the actual cycle! What's the point of gaining muscle to finally lose it due to a poor PCT???

I agree with most of the others in that your receptors are probably fried at this point and you are therefore seeing an elevation in side effects vs. Muscle weight gain! You need to re-vamp your diet as well. Weight gainers are SUPPLEMENTS....Which means they should supplement your whole food diet! You should get at least 75% of your daily nutritional requirements from Whole foods!

I could go on and on but I'm tired of typing! I'm NOT trying to flame you but it's obvious that you need to do some research on this all IF you ever want to enjoy even the least bit of success! This sport takes a LOT, mentally and physically.... Reading and following what the next guy suggests on the local forum is no-where near enough!

I hope you find better success in the future;

STEEDA~

BUMP.

[unclevername]

It's NO wonder AAS is such a taboo in todays society! I'm not trying to sound condescending here but you really should do some research on AAS, nutrition and lifting because every post you've written is ridiculous!


No, nothings wrong except your perception of what you think should be happening! 4 lbs in 5 weeks is almost 1lb per week (lets say for arguments sake)... That would equate to 52lbs per year, which, by the way, ANY of us would LOVE to be able to gain in a single year! DO you know that some Pro's struggle to put on 10lbs of muscle in a year and they're consuming 4X the AAS as you and double the calories??? I didn't think so!

As far as "time-off" cycles.... Two months is NOT enough time and time off should be TIME OFF!!!! It DOES NOT include your PCT!!!! Furthermore, at almost 1 gram of combined test per week, simply taking N-dex is as good as taking nothing! You almost certainly should include HCG, Clomid, N-dex and a few other items to fully recover! The recovery stage is far more important than the actual cycle! What's the point of gaining muscle to finally lose it due to a poor PCT???

I agree with most of the others in that your receptors are probably fried at this point and you are therefore seeing an elevation in side effects vs. Muscle weight gain! You need to re-vamp your diet as well. Weight gainers are SUPPLEMENTS....Which means they should supplement your whole food diet! You should get at least 75% of your daily nutritional requirements from Whole foods!

I could go on and on but I'm tired of typing! I'm NOT trying to flame you but it's obvious that you need to do some research on this all IF you ever want to enjoy even the least bit of success! This sport takes a LOT, mentally and physically.... Reading and following what the next guy suggests on the local forum is no-where near enough!

I hope you find better success in the future;

STEEDA~


Damn Brother. You have been a member since Nov 2005 and you have only posted five times. You are right on the money and we could use a few more of your opinions. Don't be so scarce.

[ejones9501]

amen on that shit bro!!!





It's NO wonder AAS is such a taboo in todays society! I'm not trying to sound condescending here but you really should do some research on AAS, nutrition and lifting because every post you've written is ridiculous!


No, nothings wrong except your perception of what you think should be happening! 4 lbs in 5 weeks is almost 1lb per week (lets say for arguments sake)... That would equate to 52lbs per year, which, by the way, ANY of us would LOVE to be able to gain in a single year! DO you know that some Pro's struggle to put on 10lbs of muscle in a year and they're consuming 4X the AAS as you and double the calories??? I didn't think so!

As far as "time-off" cycles.... Two months is NOT enough time and time off should be TIME OFF!!!! It DOES NOT include your PCT!!!! Furthermore, at almost 1 gram of combined test per week, simply taking N-dex is as good as taking nothing! You almost certainly should include HCG, Clomid, N-dex and a few other items to fully recover! The recovery stage is far more important than the actual cycle! What's the point of gaining muscle to finally lose it due to a poor PCT???

I agree with most of the others in that your receptors are probably fried at this point and you are therefore seeing an elevation in side effects vs. Muscle weight gain! You need to re-vamp your diet as well. Weight gainers are SUPPLEMENTS....Which means they should supplement your whole food diet! You should get at least 75% of your daily nutritional requirements from Whole foods!

I could go on and on but I'm tired of typing! I'm NOT trying to flame you but it's obvious that you need to do some research on this all IF you ever want to enjoy even the least bit of success! This sport takes a LOT, mentally and physically.... Reading and following what the next guy suggests on the local forum is no-where near enough!

I hope you find better success in the future;

STEEDA~

[Ed17447]

good post steeda69, but I have to add that protein intake should be atleast 400 min.

[DavidYork]

I can garantee he's not eating 5000 cals a day and only weighing 176lbs, if he was eating 5000 cals a day he would be gaining so much weight with or without steriods and probably weigh around 240lbs... go check out fitday.com and you'll be able to see what you're actually eating and where to make adjustments.

What a brilliant site!!!! I will be using that everyday... Reputation points for you my friend!!!

[canuk80]

I'm not the type who has his head up his ass but this time around I beg do differ. I do realise that all that I tought that I knew wasent enough as well as not doing enough research on reliable sources before jumping in. Two months off and a shitty pct was my downfall. To tell you the truth I am in now the worst shape possible, my test has fallen drasticaly as well as a constant feeling of lethargy. It's like hitting a brick wall. I hope that someone can learn from this, I sure know that I have. I'm not saying that I'll never do it again but I will ASK QUESTIONS and better prepare myself with a PROPER DIET as well as PROPER KNOWLEDGE. I thank all for there replies, thanks as well to STEEDA for that post. I will be BACK!!!!!! Thanks all.