Dbol/sus/decca/proviron bulker

[InkFiend33]

So here is what I am looking at....

5'9 25 190 lbs 9%BF


wk 1-4 dbol 40mg ed
wk 1-16 sus 750 wk/eod
wk 1-14 decca 400mg wk
wk 1-16 proviron 50mg ed
wk 3-16 500 iu HCG e 5-7 d
pct
wk 16-18 1000 HCG EOD
wk 18 100 clomid 40 nolva
wk 19 50 clomid 30 nolva
wk 20 50 clomid 20 nolva


look right?

thank you

[datuca]

I am planning a very similar cycle. Only difference is sus is @ 500/week.

[Hockey265]

Seems solid. I, personally would make a couple changes but it looks ok. Keep us posted on your results.

[anhuka]

So here is what I am looking at....

5'9 25 190 lbs 9%BF


wk 1-4 dbol 40mg ed
wk 1-16 sus 750 wk/eod
wk 1-14 decca 400mg wk
wk 1-16 proviron 50mg ed
wk 3-16 500 iu HCG e 5-7 d
pct
wk 16-18 1000 HCG EOD
wk 18 100 clomid 40 nolva
wk 19 50 clomid 30 nolva
wk 20 50 clomid 20 nolva


look right?

thank you


looks good , good luck

[Machola]

i'd personally run the hcg different but its really just personal preference. i've tried a few different dosing schedules and they all work, i just prefer 2x/week. everything else looks great... proviron is the only ai you take? im jealous. i'd have d cups in 2 weeks:p:D

[InkFiend33]

i'd personally run the hcg different but its really just personal preference. i've tried a few different dosing schedules and they all work, i just prefer 2x/week. everything else looks great... proviron is the only ai you take? im jealous. i'd have d cups in 2 weeks:p:D

i will still keep nolva on hand in case..... i thought about running it 10mg a day..... but i would rather not if i dont have to

[Machola]

you know, nolva has been shown to have a bad reaction when used with decca, it raises your chances of getting gyno:eek:. so unless you've used decca with nolva before i would recommend you dont. try a low dose arimidex or exemestane if you can afford it. if nothing else it will at least contol your bloat.

hopefully someone else can jump in who knows more about why not to use decca and nolva together.

[InkFiend33]

no decca with nolva? really? have never heard this before.....

can anyone chime in on this......

so another AI should be run during cycle you think or should i just have something else on hand???

please advise


But still use regular PCT with nolva and clomid yeah??? just not during cycle?

[lola26]

So here is what I am looking at....

5'9 25 190 lbs 9%BF


wk 1-4 dbol 40mg ed
wk 1-16 sus 750 wk/eod
wk 1-14 decca 400mg wk
wk 1-16 proviron 50mg ed
wk 3-16 500 iu HCG e 5-7 d
pct
wk 16-18 1000 HCG EOD
wk 18 100 clomid 40 nolva
wk 19 50 clomid 30 nolva
wk 20 50 clomid 20 nolva


look right?

thank you

great cycle... keep to your diet and training and you will make amazing gains. i am running almost the same right now and love it!

[InkFiend33]

Seems solid. I, personally would make a couple changes but it looks ok. Keep us posted on your results.

what would you change??

[anhuka]

no decca with nolva? really? have never heard this before.....
yeah really...
can anyone chime in on this......

so another AI should be run during cycle you think or should i just have something else on hand???
letro or adex i think...
please advise


But still use regular PCT with nolva and clomid yeah??? just not during cycle?

yeah pct regular

[steak]

So here is what I am looking at....

5'9 25 190 lbs 9%BF


wk 1-4 dbol 40mg ed
wk 1-16 sus 750 wk/eod
wk 1-14 decca 400mg wk
wk 1-16 proviron 50mg ed
wk 3-16 500 iu HCG e 5-7 d
pct
wk 16-18 1000 HCG EOD
wk 18 100 clomid 40 nolva
wk 19 50 clomid 30 nolva
wk 20 50 clomid 20 nolva


look right?

thank you

one of my favourite combinations, but i use proviron in PCT or with sus and winny cycle. it is better use nolvadex than start shopping for a pair of bra:D

[anhuka]

one of my favourite combinations, but i use proviron in PCT or with sus and winny cycle. it is better use nolvadex than start shopping for a pair of bra:D

nova + deca only get´s gyno worst if it ware prolactin derivated ... i would recommend some caber to ge in hand just in case...

[steak]

nova + deca only get´s gyno worst if it ware prolactin derivated ... i would recommend some caber to ge in hand just in case...

caber?:confused: never heard of it...

[InkFiend33]

so i should run some letro at maybe .25 ed during cycle???

[anhuka]

caber?:confused: never heard of it...

take this from other board since my english would not be very good to explain...

I may be wrong, but I do not think Letro will do anything to combat progesterone related sides. It is an aromataze inhibitor so it will prevent the release of aromataze which in turn prevents test from being turned into estrogen. Therefore estrogen that would have caused gyno never exists in your system.

Progesterone and Prolactin are increased when on any progestin (deca, tren, etc.). Prolactin is the hormone that causes lactation in women and currently has no known physiological purpose in men (that I am aware of). The gyno casued by progestins needs to be combated with bromo, cabergnol, or Vit B6.

Letro at .25mg EOD should be a sufficient dose to inhibit aromataze as it is a very powerful compound. However, the reduced estrogen in your system can negatively effect skin tone, natural GH production, sleep, nails, and arguably most importantly (and ironically) sexual performance. As mentioned above, I doubt it would be as effective at combating the gyno from tren as cabergnol and cabergnol has in some cases caused an increase in libido with some people.

[anhuka]

this may help too

Estrogen : The first hormone we need to keep an eye on. Many AAS convert to estrogen via the aromatization process. Some AAS are worse than others. Also, estrogen spikes after a cycle. High levels of estrogen leads to gyno, water retention, fat storage etc. Estrogen plays a key role in progesterone related gyno. We either block its receptors with SERMS or reduce its production with AIs. We watch estrogen levels during a cycle and in PCT. Lowering estrogen too much will mess up your blood lipids. Letting it get out of control will cause sides like gyno, water retention etc. Estrogen plays a role in IGF-1 levels, may lower IGF-1 when blocked. Estrogen is also beneficial hormone when bulking, promoting higher androgen receptor concentrations. It also is beneficial in another way - its supposed to act as an anti-inflammatory - this means blocking or reducing it too much during a heavy bulking cycle can result in injury to joints. Obviously different estrogen levels are desired for different goals, and it is not always good to block its action or its production.

Progesterone : Its not so much progesterone that we watch, which is actually a healthy hormone, but progestins which may act upon its receptors. Progestins, like Tren or Deca, may act on its receptor or lower progesterone in the blood. Gyno and lactating are more common side effects. Some people use progesterone receptor blockers to combat this, or a prolactin production inhibitor.


and this

Progesterone Control

Lilopristone, Onapristone: These are progesterone blockers also, said to be safer and possibly more effective than RU-486 when it comes to progesterone blocking. They were developed after RU-486 in an attempt to make more effective, less harsh drugs to block progesterone.

Dostinex (Cabergoline), Bromo (Bromocriptine), B-6 : These are used for Deca/Tren gyno sides. This type of gyno is related to progesterone and its receptors. Tren/Deca may act on the progesterone receptor, as they are progestins, and may increase prolactin in the blood (causing lactating). These drugs stop production of prolactin at the pituitary gland. Controlling estrogen levels with an AI also helps here, as progestins themsleves haven't been proven to cause gyno.

RU-486 (Mifepristone - abortion pill) : This drug has the ability to block estrogen, progesterone AND cortisol. It may or may not be very well tolerated, but I would like to find out more about it, as it is used in the bodybuilding world. In PCT it is used to block cortisol and progesterone. A powerful drug that may turn out to be a good choice, but i need more evidence and feedback from experience useing RU-486.

[blackson]

So here is what I am looking at....

5'9 25 190 lbs 9%BF


wk 1-4 dbol 40mg ed
wk 1-16 sus 750 wk/eod
wk 1-14 decca 400mg wk
wk 1-16 proviron 50mg ed
wk 3-16 500 iu HCG e 5-7 d
pct
wk 16-18 1000 HCG EOD
wk 18 100 clomid 40 nolva
wk 19 50 clomid 30 nolva
wk 20 50 clomid 20 nolva


look right?

thank you

I didn't read any responses to this post so excuse me if this has already been suggested.

wk 1-4 dbol 40mg ed
wk 1-16 sus 750 wk/eod
wk 1-15 decca 400mg wk
wk 1-19 proviron 50mg ed
wk 3-16 500 iu HCG e 5-7 d
pct
wk 16-19 1000 HCG EOD
wk 19 100 clomid 40 nolva
wk 20 50 clomid 30 nolva
wk 21 50 clomid 20 nolva

All I changed were dates, everything else looks good.

[automatic]

I didn't read any responses to this post so excuse me if this has already been suggested.

wk 1-4 dbol 40mg ed
wk 1-16 sus 750 wk/eod
wk 1-15 decca 400mg wk
wk 1-19 proviron 50mg ed
wk 3-16 500 iu HCG e 5-7 d
pct
wk 16-19 1000 HCG EOD
wk 19 100 clomid 40 nolva
wk 20 50 clomid 30 nolva
wk 21 50 clomid 20 nolva

All I changed were dates, everything else looks good.

750 mgs eod on the sus,WOW.i think you meant 750 mg ew

[golden_arm]

I didn't read any responses to this post so excuse me if this has already been suggested.

wk 1-4 dbol 40mg ed
wk 1-16 sus 750 wk/eod
wk 1-15 decca 400mg wk
wk 1-19 proviron 50mg ed
wk 3-16 500 iu HCG e 5-7 d
pct
wk 16-19 1000 HCG EOD
wk 19 100 clomid 40 nolva
wk 20 50 clomid 30 nolva
wk 21 50 clomid 20 nolva

All I changed were dates, everything else looks good.

look carefully automatic :cool:

[scoobywrx]

sounds like a good bulker bro

[InkFiend33]

so i still am confused as to what is best to run instead of nolva during cycle with Decca and at what dose as a preventative measure against gyno

[bigboi8225]

so i still am confused as to what is best to run instead of nolva during cycle with Decca and at what dose as a preventative measure against gyno

Arimidex, do .50mg ED for the first 4 weeks while on Dbol, and then .25 ED after that.
If your sensitive to gyno probably the best for Deca is to run cabergoline, if you cant get it then B6.

[The BB Monad]

The cycle looks good! I'd like to know about your results bro! Just add in some Adex during the cycle at .25 ED just in case!

[crfpilot14]

I agree with the AI in the cycle. You are running 2 strong aromatizeable drugs and should have some estrogen control during that cycle. I would do as bigboi suggested. To save mixing and storeage, I would just run the HCG the 2wks between your cycle and PCT instead of both. Your PCT should include nolva and clomid and run for at least 4wks. This will be a hard cycle to recover from due to length of cycle and amount of meds. Good luck with this cycle...

[trapmanjoe]

that's the same cycle i used to bulk, it worked great for me. i gained 18lbs and got very strong. let us know your results.

[InkFiend33]

nice i am gonna go with the adex .5 while using dbol then drop down to .25 for the remainder of the cycle.............. ill let you all know how it goes.... really looking forward to this... been planning it for over 4 months now....