Best Strategy after Cycle?

[arnold jr]

I will be completing a 12 week cycle in 2 weeks of:
wk 1-6 30mg d-bol ed
wk 1-10 sust 750mg wk
wk 1-10 decca 500mg wk
wk 6-11 winny 50mg eod
wk 10-12 sust 500mg wk

I have HCG planned to start 10 days after last sust injection at 1000iu ed for 10 days and was wanting to know when is the best time to start with the clomid and nolva?

Also, what is the best way to adjust my diet after coming off? I know I will need to lower my calories which have been at 4500-5000 a day, but what other suggestions can you all make, such as carb and fat intake after a cycle. I have been told a bunch of diferant things and would like to get a better handle on this. Also in regards to training, I have always been under the impression that intensity and frequency needs to be lowered, is this a must, because I really love to train. If it is true, how long should I keep the frequency and intinsity lowered?

I appreciate any input you all have to give!

[shivastool]

PCT ADVICE

1) Keep protein intake high

2) Keep calories high (clean if possible to avoid fat gain)

3) Lower training volume somewhat, but dont stop working out, maybe take an extra day or so off the first few weeks of post cycle

4) Still stick with low reps high weight and fairly low volume

5) Creatine, 5-10g per day

6) Glutamine 10-20g per day

7) HCG at the end of your cycle (huge difference IMO in post cycle recovery)

8) Clomid, nolvadex

9) Lots of sleep

10) Avoid alcohol, and other recreational drugs (especially drugs like mdma, coke, speed, ritalin, adderall, etc. although if hopefully this isnt even an issue with you, but I figured I'd mention it).

11) Avoid alot of cardio

12) Follow the 120-150 Rule, meaning eat every 120-150 minutes (2-2.5 hrs) Don't let yourself go very long without a meal (always include protein in that meal whether it be from food or a shake...food is always better though)

13) Take ZMA on a nightly basis. This difference is prob minor but isn't a bad idea as I find I get a better night sleep on it, and insufficient zinc in one's diet can cause low testosterone levels.

14) Avoid stress, you want to keep cortisol to a minimum post cycle.

15) Control cortisol with phosphatidylserine , 800-1200 mg per day roughly reduces cortisol levels by 30-45 % , then add in 2-5 gms of vit c

16) The use of clenbuterol can be useful , beta agonists in the muscles helps increase protein synthesis.

17) Winstrol is beneficial in the last couple weeks of a cycle because it is a very mild AAS in terms of its affect on HTPA, plus it'll help you lean out a bit at the end (get rid of some water retention, etc) and make the gains that you have made more solidified.

18) Arginine and Citruline can be very useful post cycle...thats right NO2 supplements. Now whether or not you have gotten the hyped up gains that they claim is dependent on you, but Arginine and Citruline do infact cause nitrogen retention, which is very important during your PCT.

[mickeymbbc]

Your PCT starts on week 15. IMO you would be better running off something like dball or prop in the end to have a smoother PCT.


-MICK

[arnold jr]

Your PCT starts on week 15. IMO you would be better running off something like dball or prop in the end to have a smoother PCT.


-MICK
I understand the prop, but dball? Help me out here, why would I want to run it at the end of a cycle? I have only used it during the 1st 6 weeks of a cycle.

[mickeymbbc]

I understand the prop, but dball? Help me out here, why would I want to run it at the end of a cycle? I have only used it during the 1st 6 weeks of a cycle.


It really depends on what kind of yields that you are looking for off a cycle. Most run Dball at the beginning of a cycle because of what they read,(like a parrot) not from their exp. But dball really gives your cycle a hell of a kick at the end(especial if you are going for size). But Dball works better period IMO, and thats from exp, not from reading for 13 years. plain out simple, dball in most cases if done correctly can be better than most at the end of a cycle. It will also assist in keeping yours gains,(I would explain that more in detail, but I dont feel like typing a story :D


-mick

[Gregalmighty]

Would that work for anapolon too? Say i take Abombs first few weeks and the last few weeks of a 12 weeker of Supertest and Eq would that have similar effects or be a bad decision???? :confused:

[Beetlejuice]

Mickey what about using Turinabol at end of cycle? If I did that would it give same general effect? Or would you say what you were talking to is best with Dbol? Just wondering I have a few Tbol tabs.

[mickeymbbc]

Would that work for anapolon too? Say i take Abombs first few weeks and the last few weeks of a 12 weeker of Supertest and Eq would that have similar effects or be a bad decision???? :confused:


Any oral that is going to put on size and strength will do the job if done right at the end of your cycle.



-mick

[mickeymbbc]

Mickey what about using Turinabol at end of cycle? If I did that would it give same general effect? Or would you say what you were talking to is best with Dbol? Just wondering I have a few Tbol tabs.


I would take dball at the end versus turnibal because of the stonger effects, but turnibal will definately work if done correctly and long enough to be effective. Its like anavar in a way.

-mick

[Ching]

It really depends on what kind of yields that you are looking for off a cycle. Most run Dball at the beginning of a cycle because of what they read,(like a parrot) not from their exp. But dball really gives your cycle a hell of a kick at the end(especial if you are going for size). But Dball works better period IMO, and thats from exp, not from reading for 13 years. plain out simple, dball in most cases if done correctly can be better than most at the end of a cycle. It will also assist in keeping yours gains,(I would explain that more in detail, but I dont feel like typing a story :D


-mick

Fully agree