ONLY ORALS

[MUSCLESHOP]

Im have 30 years old, 200 pound for 5.6 , and train for 10 years,i do some cycles of prosteroids(ergomax,max,superdrol) but i want to try oral steroids.
I have dianabol,winstrol,turinabol.
i now that injectables are better but i whant only oral.
For bulking shuld i go only with dbol or is better to stack with turinabol or winstrol.
So is better alone or as stack?
For cutting wintrol alone or stacked with turinabol?

[mxcx]

you shouldnt stack any of those together. it would be very hard on your liver. u should stack one of those with a test, but you said no orals. if i had to choose from those 3, i would go with t-bol, but i wouldnt do a oral only or stack any 2 orals. ur liver is ur most important organ in ur body, its not worth destroying it cuz you dont like needles

bump....use test with any of those....dont stack any of those....if you decide to use any of those alone I would use t-bol with liver protection for 6wks.....for bulking or cutting that lays in your diet.

[Alin]

Im have 30 years old, 200 pound for 5.6 , and train for 10 years,i do some cycles of prosteroids(ergomax,max,superdrol) but i want to try oral steroids.
I have dianabol,winstrol,turinabol.
i now that injectables are better but i whant only oral.
For bulking shuld i go only with dbol or is better to stack with turinabol or winstrol.
So is better alone or as stack?
For cutting wintrol alone or stacked with turinabol?

actually the SUPERDROL you took was an AAS...A DESIGNER steroid some would call it.

[Cracker]

throw in some test it will be the best thing you ever did.

[giff]

tbol 6 weeks with liv52 or something similar

[lola26]

no oral only cycles. man up and pin yourself.

[thym43]

no oral only cycles. man up and pin yourself.

BUmpity bump bump

[yafu]

liv52 and milk thistle for sure liver protection

[turkeyboy]

Do a oral cycle post your stats if its wrong let us know on the board, think about it lets him do a oral cycle post your stats before and after pics the whole nine and let us know how it was for you. Cmon people of alins board lets get some real info from people who wanna try oral stacks and cycles lets get some case studies together. If we prove that oral cycle are that bad we will have PROOF PEOPLE instead of opinion. Then we can say dont do a oral cycle pm so and so he did one and wasted time and money or go head do one so and so gained 10 pounds and kept 8. Lets get some real case studies together

[drob29]

Do a oral cycle post your stats if its wrong let us know on the board, think about it lets him do a oral cycle post your stats before and after pics the whole nine and let us know how it was for you. Cmon people of alins board lets get some real info from people who wanna try oral stacks and cycles lets get some case studies together. If we prove that oral cycle are that bad we will have PROOF PEOPLE instead of opinion. Then we can say dont do a oral cycle pm so and so he did one and wasted time and money or go head do one so and so gained 10 pounds and kept 8. Lets get some real case studies together

hmmmm....so TB dont you think that, since steroids have been around and used as BB supplements for 30 years, there may have already been conclusive evidence that oral only cycles are TERRIBLE for your liver and you dont keep much of your gains?

OR: NO ONE HAS THOUGHT of doing some testing in all those years, and your the FIRST ONE to have such a brilliant idea.

I wonder.. hmmmmm

:D

[No-Go]

Code 8

[LeanMass17]

If you don't want to inject you dont want to seriously commit to AAS

[turkeyboy]

I think this board is close minded as hell thats like saying hey if your not taking glutamine with creatine you wont get any results thats a load of dog shit. I personally wanna check out someones progression on a oral cycle, this could be good for this board it could point some people in the right direction. What im simply saying is if there going to do it at least let someone learn from their mistake or learn from their acomplishment. Like i stated before taking test with a oral wont make the ORAL LESS TOXIC anyway. Please stop all this talk about harm to your liver 40 mg every day of dbol for 6 weeks is juss like taking it with test, as a matter of fact stackin dbol with test is juss as bad or worse.

[SwoleTexasKid]

no oral only cycles. man up and pin yourself.

Bump Bump Ba dump Ba Bump!

[deepblue]

put in some test.

[DEADBOLT]

your kind of a pussy you pussy! you would rather fuck up your liver than do an injection?

[thym43]

I think this board is close minded as hell thats like saying hey if your not taking glutamine with creatine you wont get any results thats a load of dog shit. I personally wanna check out someones progression on a oral cycle, this could be good for this board it could point some people in the right direction. What im simply saying is if there going to do it at least let someone learn from their mistake or learn from their acomplishment. Like i stated before taking test with a oral wont make the ORAL LESS TOXIC anyway. Please stop all this talk about harm to your liver 40 mg every day of dbol for 6 weeks is juss like taking it with test, as a matter of fact stackin dbol with test is juss as bad or worse.

"You personally want to check out someones progress"
WTF is that?? You do it then! fuck up ypur liver and come back and tell us how it all works out. We try to help people on this board so that they don't fuck themselves up and your willing to let somebody fuck up so you can learn something, for your amusment??
That is complete bullshit!! That kind of thinking is wreckless and dangerous. oh IMHO.

[mxcx]

I think this board is close minded as hell thats like saying hey if your not taking glutamine with creatine you wont get any results thats a load of dog shit. I personally wanna check out someones progression on a oral cycle, this could be good for this board it could point some people in the right direction. What im simply saying is if there going to do it at least let someone learn from their mistake or learn from their acomplishment. Like i stated before taking test with a oral wont make the ORAL LESS TOXIC anyway. Please stop all this talk about harm to your liver 40 mg every day of dbol for 6 weeks is juss like taking it with test, as a matter of fact stackin dbol with test is juss as bad or worse.

This post makes you sound very ignorant....there have already been numerous people over the last 20 years that have shared their experience with oral only cycles....do the research yourself.

[turkeyboy]

Listen guys im not saying i agree or disagree me personaly i dont do oral cycles and wont ever do one, what im stating is that if their going to do it lets learn from it. How would you fuck up your liver with some good ol synthergine as 6 week cycle of dbol 40mgs a day you wouldnt dumb ass. Takin test with dbol does not make the shit less toxic u morons.

[lola26]

why the fuck is my name in your sig turkey shit??? remove it!

[DEADBOLT]

"You personally want to check out someones progress"
WTF is that?? You do it then! fuck up ypur liver and come back and tell us how it all works out. We try to help people on this board so that they don't fuck themselves up and your willing to let somebody fuck up so you can learn something, for your amusment??
That is complete bullshit!! That kind of thinking is wreckless and dangerous. oh IMHO.

hehehehehe

[thym43]

It is ineffective. You will not maintain your gains and it is hepatoxic. And you are an idiot. I'll not waste anymore time on this thread, Arguing this point with you is like wrestling with a pig, you both get dirty and the pig likes it.

[Matt Rock]

[QUOTE=turkeyboy;108919]I think this board is close minded as hell thats like saying hey if your not taking glutamine with creatine you wont get any results thats a load of dog shit.

If you are taking glutamine WITH creatine you wont get the same results... that's not dog shit. Creatine and glutamine travel along similar metabolic pathways and utilize some of the same substrate transporters while trying to occupy the same space at the same time. Take them separately or just save some time and pour one of them in the toilet.

Just a heads up

[LeanMass17]

Listen guys im not saying i agree or disagree me personaly i dont do oral cycles and wont ever do one, what im stating is that if their going to do it lets learn from it. How would you fuck up your liver with some good ol synthergine as 6 week cycle of dbol 40mgs a day you wouldnt dumb ass. Takin test with dbol does not make the shit less toxic u morons.

Listen bro, the reason why I personally discourage oral only cycles is for two reasons. One injectables are simply better all around than orals, secondly if someone was to get great gains and even keep those gains from orals what would their conclusion be? It would be that "Oh I can simply keep get what I want from orals, why bother with shots". Now your right, Test doesn't make d-bol any less toxic, but when somebody who has concluded they don't need injectables starts bumping up their oral dosages to higher levels thats when people croak! So in conclusion oral only cycles are a dead end street, a c*** tease, a bad idea

[leo766]

I did a var cycle this summer, and I am much bulkier now period. I liked doing oral it was easy, and as a first time on this stuff, it was better and easier on life, than having to hide from everyone, in order to give myself a shot.

Orals are fine, i'm going for a winny/var cycle next. And I will document it. Orals work, if not as much then whatev, different drugs work to different effect anyways im sure if i did DBOL by itself i'd see more gain than the two I have combined. I'm sure ill get flamed for not being hard core enough since var/winy arent gonna make me huge, but I'm after real muscle not BB water ballons.

Anyways, its hard enough to make the mental leap to use gear, needles are a whole nother thing, and thanks to pharmacology we have the option of not having to introduce substances into ourselves via a metal needle forcefully. Saying that if u use gear than u might as well man up and use needles is like saying if you tried heroine than you might as well of shot it. One doesn't need to compound another, with all the diseas and infection problems that come with needles, i'll take a little liver toxicity, personally I think theres worse things than gear for the liver, and their called recreational drugs(alcohol anyone). Anyways, I think orals are great, conveniet in todays on the go society, better than carrying a syringe kit with you whenever you leave the home.

I agree with the guy who said everyone on this board is so narrow minded, it's like your way isn't "THE" way. If orals didn't work than why do ppl like alin have a huge selection of them for sale, people obviously buy them, since I hardly every see anything but injectibles on sale(overstocked probably).

[LeanMass17]

:eek:

[ectomatt]

mate everyone says no oral only cycles test is the way to go, they are right but doing an oral only gets the ball rolling. my first was dbol only, i gained and lost it all but hey it got me started and i said i'd never pin myself.... and now i dont think twice about jabbin myself.... its not a waste man your liver takes a beatin but it recovers you may lose alot of what you gain but os great while on it and gets you prepared or uture cycles. i say do it.

[flatblack]

I did a var cycle this summer, and I am much bulkier now period. I liked doing oral it was easy, and as a first time on this stuff, it was better and easier on life, than having to hide from everyone, in order to give myself a shot.

Orals are fine, i'm going for a winny/var cycle next. And I will document it. Orals work, if not as much then whatev, different drugs work to different effect anyways im sure if i did DBOL by itself i'd see more gain than the two I have combined. I'm sure ill get flamed for not being hard core enough since var/winy arent gonna make me huge, but I'm after real muscle not BB water ballons.

Anyways, its hard enough to make the mental leap to use gear, needles are a whole nother thing, and thanks to pharmacology we have the option of not having to introduce substances into ourselves via a metal needle forcefully. Saying that if u use gear than u might as well man up and use needles is like saying if you tried heroine than you might as well of shot it. One doesn't need to compound another, with all the diseas and infection problems that come with needles, i'll take a little liver toxicity, personally I think theres worse things than gear for the liver, and their called recreational drugs(alcohol anyone). Anyways, I think orals are great, conveniet in todays on the go society, better than carrying a syringe kit with you whenever you leave the home.

I agree with the guy who said everyone on this board is so narrow minded, it's like your way isn't "THE" way. If orals didn't work than why do ppl like alin have a huge selection of them for sale, people obviously buy them, since I hardly every see anything but injectibles on sale(overstocked probably).sad but true, u are wrong

[leo766]

I am wrong? Ok that's really specific, thanks for clearing that up for me.

The point I was trying to make, on a newbie forum, how are you going to say people need to start with hardcore pricking.

Like I said a var/winny cycle, might be the perfect thing for a newbie to start with, heck i started with var only, because of it's low side effects, I am only 22 and don't need to screw my hormones up for life. So I chose the two of what I consider safest and easiest peices of gear. Not to mention I dont think var comes in any other form, and winny is only slightly more effective injected vs oral.

Test if i am correct is going to shut down my natrual test production.

So anyways, I am looking for a safe and effective way to gain strength not mass, and var and winny are a perfect cycle for stregth. I am about 2 weeks from getting certified as a personal trainer, and factoring in the social stains of working out, like I said Orals have a huge convenience advantage over injectibles.

Yes I could get over it and prick myself, but the only thing I would choose to do that with is winny, since I wouldnt touch anything harder than masteron or primobol. And both of those are expensive enough. As for winny, the differance between oral or inject is not enough to justify all the trouble of going through with it.

Anyways, needles are a hassle, not to mention being an ex drug addict, I don't need needle trails on me anywhere.

I might be wrong according to you, but I think orals have their place. Lots of people buy them. As far as your liver goes, theres injectibles that will just rape ur liver anyways. An oral var/winny cycle does less damage than some injectibles that is for damn sure. Also this cycle will let you keep gains. Since they won't be redicules.

But like I said I am going to put all this to rest. I will document my progress both data wise and with pictures daily or weekly. When I start my new cycle when it gets here.

And put to rest this stigma that orals don't work. The var cycle I did defiantely did work and at 30mg a day of var, I definately got a huge stamina gain as well as that increadible pump that is characteristic of var.

Heck Var in my opinion is the best peice of gear since it is so low side effects(only one I notices is lowered sex drive wich I fixed with some tribex), potent in producing hard strong muscle, that you keep. It definately wroked for me as far as my fist cycle is concerned. Now I know people are going to hate that comment, since to many I am sure best means putting on 20lbs in a week that you will just as quickly lose.

Well im gonna get off my soap box now. I don't want to fight, but I think orals are a great way for someone to get started and experiment to see if gear is something they really want to use. I agree that orals of the harder stuff probably arent worth it. But mainly cutting ones that are good for producing keepable gains are just as good oral IMHO.

Well like I said before, look forward to my log. I will start visiting this forum more often, since I haven't been on it since my post about how I ordered var and got it a month later got deleted, but only because it wasn't shipped for almost three weeks because thats when alin went from BD to BP. I'm over it now since he was kind enough to give me the price differance in the products in the form of free product. Go ALIN!

[DEADBOLT]

I did a var cycle this summer, and I am much bulkier now period. I liked doing oral it was easy, and as a first time on this stuff, it was better and easier on life, than having to hide from everyone, in order to give myself a shot.

Orals are fine, i'm going for a winny/var cycle next. And I will document it. Orals work, if not as much then whatev, different drugs work to different effect anyways im sure if i did DBOL by itself i'd see more gain than the two I have combined. I'm sure ill get flamed for not being hard core enough since var/winy arent gonna make me huge, but I'm after real muscle not BB water ballons.

Anyways, its hard enough to make the mental leap to use gear, needles are a whole nother thing, and thanks to pharmacology we have the option of not having to introduce substances into ourselves via a metal needle forcefully. Saying that if u use gear than u might as well man up and use needles is like saying if you tried heroine than you might as well of shot it. One doesn't need to compound another, with all the diseas and infection problems that come with needles, i'll take a little liver toxicity, personally I think theres worse things than gear for the liver, and their called recreational drugs(alcohol anyone). Anyways, I think orals are great, conveniet in todays on the go society, better than carrying a syringe kit with you whenever you leave the home.

I agree with the guy who said everyone on this board is so narrow minded, it's like your way isn't "THE" way. If orals didn't work than why do ppl like alin have a huge selection of them for sale, people obviously buy them, since I hardly every see anything but injectibles on sale(overstocked probably).

Your not educated enough to be giving advice on this board. And as far as diseases go, steroid users arent in a back alleys sharing needles to shoot there gear. You use a clean needle once and dispose of it.

[LeanMass17]

^BUMP^

You right dude, everyone has the right to make the decision to do what they want, but like it or not there is better ways to doing AAS then just picking up a bunch of orals and eatting them like sweetarts. Anavar and Winny shut down your testicular axis just like all AAS, thats why your losing sex drive while on them..I'm not going to correct you on anything else because you've made up you mind and your entitled to do what you want I just hope you dont hurt yourself or anyone else

[loganrunn]

I am going to chime in on this...

There is nothing wrong with doing an oral only cycle - and YES they work. I will argue with anybody on this board if they tell me they don't.

Adding test with an oral is definately going to intesify and make it a more complete cycle, but that is up to the user. Your gains on an oral only cycle will be minimal, and depending on the user, will or will not be maintainable. I personally have done an anavar only cycle for six weeks with great success. I didn't get that 25lb weight gain, but I was ripped to the bone, hard as nails, and virtually no side effects... that was doing ONLY 20mgs per day.

Any which way you slice it, it will work to some degree. I cannot reason with anyone that says 'it will fuck up your liver', as taking test alone have some certain degree of damaging your body to SOME effect. The effects of taking any AAS always a gamble on side effects and long term side effects, as each individual is different and will never know until they take them, and the possible submission when they get older.

In case anyone forgot one of the most POWERFUL orals ever produced -
M1T's.... They were simply outstanding. MANY people out there took them with great success by themselves. That is a fact.


Logan

[kaien]

Leo766 forgive me if I am wrong but Test is not the only thing that shuts down natural test production. My first cycle was winny, second was winny and fina. I had some shriveled testes both times.

[lola26]

99% of aas shuts you down.