Clen/Ephedrine

[bigguy]

Hey Guys

Been thinking bout doing some clen/ephedrine after my cycle to help me cut up got a few questions cos I never used properly before.

When are you supposed to use??? Is it when Pct finishes????

I am quite sensitive to stimulants. My friend gave me a couple of ephedrine before training once and I felt like i'd had a bag of meth!!! I couldn't speak and felt f*****g wierd. (not in a good way) Is it because I'm over sensitive to it and should just lay of or when you increase dosage slowly does this help you get used to it. My mate reckons that he gets shakes and stuff off it.

I'm all for cutting up but not gonna sacrifice my sanity for it????

As i said before i read a fair bit and have some idea of the answers but wanted first hand advice

thanks :confused:

[jstforme]

im on clen now, at 120mcgs, split up 3 times a day, with T3, split up 5 times a day, awesome results, abs and striations are starting to come out BUT also keep in mind im on a very strict diet, and cardio everynight. you can use clenbuterol to either help preserve mass during pct, i think 40mcgs a day will suffice or you can use it to help loose weight, i reccommend 100-120mcgs for guys. ephedrive/caffeiene on your 2 weeks off at 75mgs eph. 600-700mgs caff. split up thorught the day.
slowly ramping up is just to find out what correct dosage you want without too many bad sides, but if you already know the dosage that your body can handle then just start and finish there. personally by day 3 i was already at 100mcgs, day 5 at 120 and have kept it there.

[Alin]

you can use with cycle or PCT. taper the dose up to tolerable effective level.

Hey Guys

Been thinking bout doing some clen/ephedrine after my cycle to help me cut up got a few questions cos I never used properly before.

When are you supposed to use??? Is it when Pct finishes????

I am quite sensitive to stimulants. My friend gave me a couple of ephedrine before training once and I felt like i'd had a bag of meth!!! I couldn't speak and felt f*****g wierd. (not in a good way) Is it because I'm over sensitive to it and should just lay of or when you increase dosage slowly does this help you get used to it. My mate reckons that he gets shakes and stuff off it.

I'm all for cutting up but not gonna sacrifice my sanity for it????

As i said before i read a fair bit and have some idea of the answers but wanted first hand advice

thanks :confused:

[bigguy]

If I use with cycle won't it effect my weight gains?? I thought it suppressed hunger.... ????

[Beetlejuice]

Ephedrine can suppress hunger. I havnt noticed it so much with clen. I am on a cycle of 500 mg test e week, 600 mg eq week, 50 mg winstrol a day and 120 mg of clenbuterol a day. I use the clen for two weeks on two weeks off. Then I use ephedrine for 2 weeks, then back to the clen. Doing really well so far. I will end the cycle with 5 weeks of tren. Staying on the clen and ephedrine the whole time. The Clen messed with me at first but not as bad as the ephedrine did.




If I use with cycle won't it effect my weight gains?? I thought it suppressed hunger.... ????

[jstforme]

Ephedrine can suppress hunger. I havnt noticed it so much with clen. I am on a cycle of 500 mg test e week, 600 mg eq week, 50 mg winstrol a day and 120 mg of clenbuterol a day. I use the clen for two weeks on two weeks off. Then I use ephedrine for 2 weeks, then back to the clen. Doing really well so far. I will end the cycle with 5 weeks of tren. Staying on the clen and ephedrine the whole time. The Clen messed with me at first but not as bad as the ephedrine did.

i just want to know why you are using a fat loss product (clen+eph) in a bulking cycle? i know about the many uses for clen during a cycle, in my opinion at 120mcgs theres only one use...to loose fat.

[Beetlejuice]

Well just so you know this isnt a bulking cycle. The test is for 5 weeks. I am running 10 weeks of eq 6 weeks of winstrol and 5 weeks of tren. I could guess you would think I am bulking because of the test. I mix in test to pick up a little muscle size before the cutting starts. I am not though. Do you know what I am using? EQ, winny, trenabol..... Since when did that make a bulking cycle? The goal is always to lose fat and retain muscle, anyway unless your diet is fucked up. As you know one of clens uses is to retain muscle at the end of a cycle. Why do you think that is? It is mildly anabolic. I could use it for whatever I want. I bet you use Nolva during your cycle. I ask people why they are using Nolva during a cycle, when they should be using femara or arimidex instead. Nolva retards bulking more than clen or ephedrine ever could.


i just want to know why you are using a fat loss product (clen+eph) in a bulking cycle? i know about the many uses for clen during a cycle, in my opinion at 120mcgs theres only one use...to loose fat.

[Tyrone]

If you hyave never used ephedrine before and you took more than one it is very possible you felt all fucked up. If I take too much after being off of it I can feel the same way. Back when Metabolife had ephedrine I took a lot of it for a long time and I think I was a speed freak or something.

[jstforme]

im a little bit confused, if only using test for 5 weeks, why not go with propitionate, the enanthate wont even kick in untill 3rd week, and everyone knows that 5 weeks of testosterone enanthate isnt going to yeild any dramatic muscle gains. eq, winyy and tren is a cutting cycle i know that but test and eq is a bulking cycle, thats why i said that, i understand now, i forgot about the tren. yes i know that clen is used to retain gains but NOT at 120mcgs!!
as far as me using nolvadex for my cycle, i dont use any antis unless i have problems. but since you want to know yes i have a handfull of nolvadex and about 15 weeks worth of proviron.
as far as you think clenbuterol being slightly anabolic read this...."In several animal studies1,2,3 Clenbuterol was also shown to act as an anabolic, believed to be able to impart muscle gains. This was never demonstrated in humans4 however, and there is more evidence that its effect on catabolic hormones invokes the opposite. In any case, the animal studies used much higher doses5 then one would safely recommend for humans. The late Dan Duchaine, by many held in high regard as a steroid guru and a former writer of the now defunct MM2K, believed it had something to do with the stimulation of a third beta receptor, which was different in humans as opposed to other mammals, and that this was the reason humans did not receive any anabolic benefits. As with most of what Dan said, this is very questionable, but one of many possible explanations in a debate that still rages on. Despite the many claims of other bodybuilders that still swear it has some form of anabolic action, I must say I've seen enough proof to the contrary to strongly advise against buying clenbuterol for promoting muscle mass. You may be more than sorely disappointed. Next time you see a 230 pound, 6 foot top-level cyclist, let me know and I may change my mind."

[Beetlejuice]

I as I said before, I am looking for a little muscle increase before I start the real cut. I want one injection of testosterone a week. As far as gains go some people have had dramatic gains with just 5 weeks of test. I have seen 6 week cycles that work great with the right stack. Testosterone is a good base until the tren starts. It can never I repeat never hurt to use test in a cycle. You don't need it in every cycle but it never hurts. You can say what you want but THE ONLY STUDIES ever done on Clenbuterol show anabolism. You show me science indicating otherwise and you can change my mind. Besides cyclists are a different kind of beast and they have more long twitch muscle fibers than a BB. That in itself leads to a leaner almost skinny appearance. Any way who are you to question my choices? I don't agree with everything you post but I am not up your butt about it. You should read this.

It is from clenbuterol.com



Clenbuterol and Sports

Note: The substance Clenbuterol hydrochloride is also available in various other forms of administration, including syrups, drops, liquids, dosing aerosols, injectable solutions, and granules. Since athletes usually prefer tablets, manufacturers and trade names- offering this oral version are listed.

Clenbuterol is a very interesting and remarkable compound. It is not a steroid hormone but a beta-2-symphatomimetic. Its effects, however, can by all means be compared to those of steroids. Similar to a combination of Winstrol Depot and Oxandrolone, Clenbuterol can cause a solid, highly qualitative muscle growth which goes hand in hand with a significant strength gain. Clenbuterol, above all, has a strong anti-catabolic effect, which means it decreases the rate at which protein is reduced in the muscle cell, consequently causing an enlargement of muscle cells. For this reason, numerous athletes use Clenbuterol after steroid treatment to balance the resulting catabolic phase and thus obtain maximum strength and muscle mass. A further aspect of Clenbuterol is its distinct fat-burning effect. Clenbuterol burns fat without dieting because it increases the body temperature slightly, forcing the body to burn fat for this process. Due to the higher body temperature Clenbuterol magnifies the effect of anabolic/androgenic steroids taken simultaneously, since the protein processing is increased.

Athletes usually take 5-7 tablets, 100-140 mcg per day For women 80-100 mcg/day are usually sufficient, It is important that the athlete begin by taking only one tablet on the first day and then increasing the dosage by one tablet each of the following days until the desired maximum dosage is reached. The compound is usually taken over a period of 8-10 weeks. Since Clenbuterol is not a hormone compound it has no side effects typical of anabolic steroids. For this reason it is also liked by women. Possible side effects of Clenbuterol include restlessness, palpitations, tremor (involuntary trembling of fingers), headache, increased perspiration, insomnia, possible muscle spasms, increased blood pres-sure, and nausea. Note that these side effects are of a temporary nature and usually subside after 8-10 days, despite continuation of the product.


im a little bit confused, if only using test for 5 weeks, why not go with propitionate, the enanthate wont even kick in untill 3rd week, and everyone knows that 5 weeks of testosterone enanthate isnt going to yeild any dramatic muscle gains. eq, winyy and tren is a cutting cycle i know that but test and eq is a bulking cycle, thats why i said that, i understand now, i forgot about the tren. yes i know that clen is used to retain gains but NOT at 120mcgs!!
as far as me using nolvadex for my cycle, i dont use any antis unless i have problems. but since you want to know yes i have a handfull of nolvadex and about 15 weeks worth of proviron.
as far as you think clenbuterol being slightly anabolic read this...."In several animal studies1,2,3 Clenbuterol was also shown to act as an anabolic, believed to be able to impart muscle gains. This was never demonstrated in humans4 however, and there is more evidence that its effect on catabolic hormones invokes the opposite. In any case, the animal studies used much higher doses5 then one would safely recommend for humans. The late Dan Duchaine, by many held in high regard as a steroid guru and a former writer of the now defunct MM2K, believed it had something to do with the stimulation of a third beta receptor, which was different in humans as opposed to other mammals, and that this was the reason humans did not receive any anabolic benefits. As with most of what Dan said, this is very questionable, but one of many possible explanations in a debate that still rages on. Despite the many claims of other bodybuilders that still swear it has some form of anabolic action, I must say I've seen enough proof to the contrary to strongly advise against buying clenbuterol for promoting muscle mass. You may be more than sorely disappointed. Next time you see a 230 pound, 6 foot top-level cyclist, let me know and I may change my mind."

[jstforme]

as far as people with dramaitc gains using 5 weeks worth of test enanthate, notice i said "muscle gains" not just gains in general, sure youll pick up mass weight from 5 weeks, but as far as lean muscle mass, not too much. i would have reccomended dianabol.
about the clenbuterol, number one all of the studies that showed anabolism are not from humans!!! number two, your "studies" are from a totally biased website called CLENBUTEROL.com, you think they would tell anything other than anabolism?? listen, i agree that clentuerol is anti-catabolic, but it is not anabolic(in humans)
to support the truth about clenbuterols anabolic proerties here is another statement i found: "studies on livestock suggest that clenbuterol also has anabolic properties. however, this seems not to be the case in humans, thought to be due to the fact that humans lack the abundance of beta 3 receptors which increace insulin production and sensivity" which is very similar to the other statement i found. since you did say "You can say what you want but THE ONLY STUDIES ever done on Clenbuterol show anabolism" please show me these studies performed on Humans. before doing clenbuterol trust me i read a shit load about it, and the only time i read about its anabolic properties were when it was used on animals.

[jstforme]

im not mad about anything if it seems that way but debating is always good, and yes some stements ive made ive done further research and found the contrary, and im no know-it-all by no means, and i would love ot hear other poeples opinions on what works for them. we're here to help each other out. :)

[Beetlejuice]

That is because no one has really done a study on humans that is conclusive. It is all conjecture until such time. There is proof that it is anabolic and that is through tests on animals. It is a theory and there is more proof at this point that it is anabolic than it isn't even if it is animal tests. Anti - catabolic is good eneough to mean it won't prohibit gains which is all i am saying. I am not mad either, but you need to change the tone you take sometimes.

[Juzzam_Djinn]

I agree with the pitbull about the long lasting ester Enanthate. Propionate would have been a better choice IMO.

However, maybe the only test Beetlejuice could get his hands on at the time was Enanthate?

Even suspension would be a good choice... I felt quite the energy increase during that. It gets in and out quick.

[alan1973]

what is "PCT"

[jstforme]

what is "PCT"

post cycle therapy

[Beetlejuice]

Here is a question for you jstfrme. I came up with a sore throat this morning and runny nose. I went to the doctor and he gave me a 14 antibiotics prescription. I am 2 weeks into my cycle. Will it hurt to take the antibiotics? Will it inhibit my gains? This is not a trick question I am not sure what to do. I havnt ever taken antibiotics while on gear, and I havnt heard a lot from others about it except maybe accutane. What do you think?

[jstforme]

Here is a question for you jstfrme. I came up with a sore throat this morning and runny nose. I went to the doctor and he gave me a 14 antibiotics prescription. I am 2 weeks into my cycle. Will it hurt to take the antibiotics? Will it inhibit my gains? This is not a trick question I am not sure what to do. I havnt ever taken antibiotics while on gear, and I havnt heard a lot from others about it except maybe accutane. What do you think?

dont know why you choose me out of the group :eek: i think youll be fine taking the medicine. sore throats suck especially when it hurts to swallow, those cepecol throat lozenges dont do shit!! as long as you dont have a fever or anything to inhibit yourself from working out i would continue to do gear/workout/try to eat even though it might be hard. you should be better within a week or so, so i wouldnt consider stopping gear

[Beetlejuice]

LOL because we were talking about things that inhibit gear. Just thought you might have some insight. I havnt ever been sick on a cycle before. Thanks for your advice brutha! :)



dont know why you choose me out of the group :eek: i think youll be fine taking the medicine. sore throats suck especially when it hurts to swallow, those cepecol throat lozenges dont do shit!! as long as you dont have a fever or anything to inhibit yourself from working out i would continue to do gear/workout/try to eat even though it might be hard. you should be better within a week or so, so i wouldnt consider stopping gear