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jimmyfield77
10-17-2007, 01:32 PM
im gonna do t3 clenbutero together as i need to lose some b/f how do i run these together for maximum effect

jstforme
10-17-2007, 02:30 PM
do a search

unclevername
10-17-2007, 03:33 PM
im gonna do t3 clenbutero together as i need to lose some b/f how do i run these together for maximum effect

If you have never run Clen before I suggest that you start with just Clen first. You need to understand how clen effects you before you add the T3 into the equation. And you will most likely find out that you do not need the T3. T3 is bad stuff that can fuck you up. If you don't need it, don't take it.

After you understand the Clen first you can run the t3 with it on the second cycle. Just do a search and you will get a ton of information on how to run them.

The BB Monad
10-17-2007, 05:04 PM
BUMP what unclevername said! Try clen first!

If you do decide to go with the two here is how I usually do them.

T3
Day 1-3 25mcg
Day 4-6 50mcg
Day 7-9 75mcg
Day 10-16 100mcg ***
Day 17-19 75mcg
Day 20-22 50mcg
Day 23-25 25mcg

*** You can prolong this dose up to about 3 weeks if you see you need it.

Clen
Take it starting at 40-60mcg per day going up to about 120mcg per day. Normally it is taken 2 days on 2 days off. No need to cycle down Clen.

This cycle can and most probably will make you lose muscle mass so in order to maintain your hard earned gains add some kind of test like Test E or Sustenon (250mg week should be enough but you can go higher). Personally I usually add Anavar at 30-40mg daily throughout the cycle and then finish off with usual PCT.

jstforme
10-17-2007, 05:08 PM
it.

Clen
Normally it is taken 2 days on 2 days off. No need to cycle down Clen.
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you meant to say 2 weeks on 2 weeks off right?

Jays-gonna-get-huge
10-17-2007, 08:27 PM
im gonna do t3 clenbutero together as i need to lose some b/f how do i run these together for maximum effect

Jimmy---being 30% body fat you should get your diet in check and get off the couch and do some cardio----don't use anything----get that diet and cardio straight 1st....having that much bodyfat you can melt it away easy ..... then when you start hitting a wall or sticking point try the other stuff

Devils Mentor
10-17-2007, 09:18 PM
This is the way I Cycled my Clen/T3... Enjoy and be Safe Bro!!! Good Luck!!!

this is a 2 week cycle 2 weeks on followed by 2 weeks off & then on again, this is if you dont want take bendryl on tyhe 3rd week.


Days -- T3 -------Clen
1 ----20mcg ----20mcg
2 ----40mcg ----40mcg
3 ----60mcg ----60mcg
4 ----60mcg ----80mcg
5 ----60mcg ----100mcg
6 ----60mcg ----120mcg
7 ----60mcg ----120mcg
8 ----60mcg ----120mcg
9 ----60mcg ----120mcg
10 ---60mcg ----100mcg
11 ---60mcg ----80mcg
12 ---60mcg ----60mcg
13 ---40mcg ----40mcg
14 ---20mcg ----20mcg

get Taurine tabs & use 5g a day to keep cramps at bay

only up the dosage if you are ok with sides.





DM

Krom
10-17-2007, 09:28 PM
DM, why do you taper the clen down?

The BB Monad
10-18-2007, 04:55 AM
Yeh, I meant two weeks on two weeks off, but I have read some posts on other sites that refer two days on two days off.

I second Krom - why taper clen down? Never heard of that and it doesn't make sense!

jstforme
10-18-2007, 12:31 PM
devils mentor- that is very bad way to use cytomel. from day 1-6 your already at freaking 120mcgs!! that is insane. cytomel is not supposed to be taken any less than 2 weeks or any more than 6 weeks and i wouldnt go over 100mcgs. ramping up and down like that so quickly is BAD, where did you get this advice from? and as Krom mentioned, there is no reason to taper down clenbuterol.

johnny1592468
10-18-2007, 12:50 PM
jstforme, devils mentor is running the clen at 120mcg and t3 at 60mcg, but the way ur saying to run the t3 is all wrong devils mentor and it is a waste of time ramping back down on the clen. T3 should be run as follows-
25mcg for 4 days
50mcg for 4 days
75mcg for 4 days
100mcg for up to 18 days(depending on ur cycle length of t3)
75mcg for 4 days
50mcg for 4 days
25mcg for 4 days
t3 can be dangerous but if ran correctly it is pretty safe.

unclevername
10-18-2007, 01:51 PM
jstforme, devils mentor is running the clen at 120mcg and t3 at 60mcg, but the way ur saying to run the t3 is all wrong devils mentor and it is a waste of time ramping back down on the clen. T3 should be run as follows-
25mcg for 4 days
50mcg for 4 days
75mcg for 4 days
100mcg for up to 18 days(depending on ur cycle length of t3)
75mcg for 4 days
50mcg for 4 days
25mcg for 4 days
t3 can be dangerous but if ran correctly it is pretty safe.


You guys are going to get somebody killed with this kind of advice. I agree on the ramping but the dosing has to be determined by how your body reacts to the compound. For instance I am 235lbs with a resting heart rate in the low 60's. But if I take 50 mcg of T3 my resting heart rate goes well over 100. It is pretty safe to say that if I were to push it to 100 mcg I would be in real danger of a heart attack or stroke. T3 is not a drug for beginners to be messing with. It is one of the most dangerous compounds that bodybuilders use and should only be used if necessary. If these guys haven't tried Clen by itself how do they know if the even need to be fucking with this stuff.

rant over.

jstforme
10-18-2007, 03:10 PM
jstforme, devils mentor is running the clen at 120mcg and t3 at 60mcg, but the way ur saying to run the t3 is all wrong devils mentor and it is a waste of time ramping back down on the clen. T3 should be run as follows-
25mcg for 4 days
50mcg for 4 days
75mcg for 4 days
100mcg for up to 18 days(depending on ur cycle length of t3)
75mcg for 4 days
50mcg for 4 days
25mcg for 4 days
t3 can be dangerous but if ran correctly it is pretty safe.

my bad hehe.

johnny1592468
10-18-2007, 03:15 PM
Everyone reacts differently to every drug, thats obvious, my friend cant tolerate much test as his blood pressure go's thru the roof but that dosent happen to everyone. All I was saying is everyone I know who has tried T3 run it the way I described with no ill effects, and as far as I am concerned the correct way to run it is as I explained and as long as it is run correctly I think it is relatively safe, just do ur homework on it and dont over do it. Obviously if u need to lose a lot of weight then there is no need for T3 yet or even clen, just diet and exercise.

jstforme
10-18-2007, 03:20 PM
You guys are going to get somebody killed with this kind of advice. I agree on the ramping but the dosing has to be determined by how your body reacts to the compound. For instance I am 235lbs with a resting heart rate in the low 60's. But if I take 50 mcg of T3 my resting heart rate goes well over 100. It is pretty safe to say that if I were to push it to 100 mcg I would be in real danger of a heart attack or stroke. T3 is not a drug for beginners to be messing with. It is one of the most dangerous compounds that bodybuilders use and should only be used if necessary. If these guys haven't tried Clen by itself how do they know if the even need to be fucking with this stuff.

rant over.

just a few things....most of the advice i see in this thread isnt all that bad, johnny layed out a pretty safe cycle of T3. your body doesnt necessarily "react" with T3 like it would clen since it is a synthetic thyroid hormone, you can pop 200mcgs of clen and be wired, gittery and sweating but T3 doesnt act the same way. i did a simple search on cytomel because ive never heard of having increaced heart rate. i found out that if you have an increased heart rate seek "IMMEDIATE medical attention". this is NOT a normal side effect of T3. are you mistaking this with clenbuterol? T3 is not dangerous at all IMO as long as you know what your doing, you will not have any problems. ive ran it a few times before. T3 isnt to be taken several times a year but in what i would call the last resort. there was once a rumor that you can permanently fuck up your thyroid but even if thats true (i still havent seen any documentation) you would have to be taking outrageous ammounts.

unclevername
10-18-2007, 03:41 PM
Everyone reacts differently to every drug, thats obvious, my friend cant tolerate much test as his blood pressure go's thru the roof but that dosent happen to everyone. All I was saying is everyone I know who has tried T3 run it the way I described with no ill effects, and as far as I am concerned the correct way to run it is as I explained and as long as it is run correctly I think it is relatively safe, just do ur homework on it and dont over do it. Obviously if u need to lose a lot of weight then there is no need for T3 yet or even clen, just diet and exercise.

just a few things....most of the advice i see in this thread isnt all that bad, johnny layed out a pretty safe cycle of T3. your body doesnt necessarily "react" with T3 like it would clen since it is a synthetic thyroid hormone, you can pop 200mcgs of clen and be wired, gittery and sweating but T3 doesnt act the same way. i did a simple search on cytomel because ive never heard of having increaced heart rate. i found out that if you have an increased heart rate seek "IMMEDIATE medical attention". this is NOT a normal side effect of T3. are you mistaking this with clenbuterol? T3 is not dangerous at all IMO as long as you know what your doing, you will not have any problems. ive ran it a few times before. T3 isnt to be taken several times a year but in what i would call the last resort. there was once a rumor that you can permanently fuck up your thyroid but even if thats true (i still havent seen any documentation) you would have to be taking outrageous ammounts.

I just re read my post and it came off more confrontational than I wanted. I didn't mean for it to sound like a flame. Sorry for the tone. But the reality is that T3 is more dangerous than most of the stuff we take and really should be taken after people have some expierence. It just gets under my skin when people with little or no expierence want to jump right onto a Clen/T3 cycle as their first step.

The BB Monad
10-18-2007, 04:55 PM
T3 is only dangerous if taken for long periods of time in that it might shut down your own Thyroid production! Also T3 hardly ever or rarely increases heart rate! Clen is the one that at high dosages cause necrosis of your cardiac cells. I may not know a lot about the cycles you guys do but I have 3 years of Medical school and most people get bad sides from Clen when their body is not prepared and I've yet to meet someone who gets them from T3.

Now personally what happens to me, specially the first time was that I cut the carbs too drastically which isn't good for the thyroid function. I suffered from headaches the first two weeks because I wasn't drinking enough water - YOU HAVE TO DRINK A LOT OF WATER !!! 3 or 4 Litres is not a lot for most people! After increasing my water intake I had no more sides and no more jitters even though I kept increasing the dosages of Clen and T3. Also never cycle down Clen. That is actually absurd! No medical grounding on that advice! In fact your receptors may shut down or be it they become saturated and the Clen loses its function! Very easy to counteract though - simply add Ketotifen as specified and Clen will still have a fat burning effect well into the 4th and 5th week. However most people just do 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off while maintaining the T3 and that keeps the body guessing and the fat melting. Just to be safe don't go over the 6 week period although many have gone as much as 12 without problems but just play it safe. If you need wait at least 6 weeks and then repeat it.

Sorry about the long text!

Devils Mentor
10-18-2007, 07:06 PM
Hey there guys...

I got the Advice from Steroid.com ( the old Anabolic Review Forum)...

Here is the Link: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=228715



Here is another GOOD Read from Perfect Beast on the same site!!! You should read this before Using CLEN!!!!

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=269240



I had no issues, save one, the Headaches, when on the Cycle I posted; however, when it came time to work out in the Florida SUN... WOW!!! I am sure that when I cycle the DNP this time around, I will not be able to work at all...

Oh and by the way, I used Lions Liquid Clen/T3 Combo he sell... I don't know if there would be a Diff between Liquid or Tabs...


DM