my first cycle?

[trailmenace]

i need advise about what to take on my first cycle and doses.i what as little side effects as possible.i want to gain some mass but i already wieght about 230lbs and i'm 6'2" so im looking to get cut and kept as much of the gains when im off the cycle.

[church]

You're asking for everything at once. If you want to cut, you adjust your diet to cut. If you want to bulk, you adjust your diet to bulk. It's not the gear that makes this happen. As far as keeping the gains, PCT is key. I like to start creatine coming off as well. Your training also has to change coming off. I actually train harder coming off than I do on cycle. IMHO this is how you keep your gains.

As far as what to take, I'd say 500mg of Test Cyp or Enan. Split it into two doses (I do Monday, Thursday). It wouldn't kill you to use an oral to "kickstart" everything. Cyp and Enan are long ester and take some time to take effect. Make sure you research PCT.

[jstforme]

i need advise about what to take on my first cycle and doses.i what as little side effects as possible.i want to gain some mass but i already wieght about 230lbs and i'm 6'2" so im looking to get cut and kept as much of the gains when im off the cycle.

i suggest you go to a site like steroidsprofies.com or one of the Many others out there, read read and read about the different steroids and you will have a good idea on what you want and how much you'll want to take, once you do that come back and lay out your cycle and we will help critique it. knowledge is the key to successful cycles.

[Ironweb]

Sounds like some good advise being given.

[trailmenace]

i found a cycle that i was told would work ok and is good for first time,need advise if it sounds good or if something should be added or taken away. week 1 to 13: 10mg Nolvadex daily
Week 1 to 10: 400mg of EQ weekly
Week 1 to 10: 500mg TEST weekly
wk 13 - 40mg nolva+ 100mg clomid daily
wk 14 - 30mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily
wk 15 - 20mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily

[jstforme]

i found a cycle that i was told would work ok and is good for first time,need advise if it sounds good or if something should be added or taken away. week 1 to 13: 10mg Nolvadex daily
Week 1 to 10: 400mg of EQ weekly
Week 1 to 10: 500mg TEST weekly
wk 13 - 40mg nolva+ 100mg clomid daily
wk 14 - 30mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily
wk 15 - 20mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily

sounds good to me, although my first cycle was just 500 enanthate and great results, but the eq will help out without a doubt. its kinda up to you, how many injections you want to be doing/week for your first cycle. for your pct, you dont need both products, just one or the other, i like nolvadex for a lot of reasons but one simply is you arent taking as many pills/day.

[Beetlejuice]

That is a good cycle but you should probably add 25-50 mg a day of proviron the last 5 weeks. It will enhance your results and block some of the eq conversion to estrogen. I am about to stop using Nolva for PCT though and start using femara. It is much better suited and will not hinder your gains as much. It works better than Arimidex, and seems to be less expensive.


i found a cycle that i was told would work ok and is good for first time,need advise if it sounds good or if something should be added or taken away. week 1 to 13: 10mg Nolvadex daily
Week 1 to 10: 400mg of EQ weekly
Week 1 to 10: 500mg TEST weekly
wk 13 - 40mg nolva+ 100mg clomid daily
wk 14 - 30mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily
wk 15 - 20mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily

[church]

sounds good to me, although my first cycle was just 500 enanthate and great results, but the eq will help out without a doubt. its kinda up to you, how many injections you want to be doing/week for your first cycle. for your pct, you dont need both products, just one or the other, i like nolvadex for a lot of reasons but one simply is you arent taking as many pills/day.

I'm going to agree. I'm not sure that you're going to want to put 4cc's of gear into your ass per week. I guess you could use multiple injection sites, but I'm going with jstforme's suggestion of 500mg of either enan or cyp. That would let you keep the shots in your glutes (easiest IMHO) and you'll still see some amazing gains. That being said, test and EQ is an awesome combination.

[trailmenace]

if i go with the nolva how much should i take daily and should i take it during the whole cycle.i will go with the test alone and see what happens.thanks for the advise.

[trailmenace]

i have also been looking into a winstrol-primbolan stack.if anyone a good cycle for these to take please share.i also thinking of taking the paper gear,so if anyone has tried them like to get feedback.

[requirethemaguire]

If you really want to use EQ in your cycle then i reccomend that you run your cycle longer then 10 weeks. EQ doesnt really kick in till about week 8 (give or take) so your only goin to have 2 weeks of actual use of it. So extend your cycle to 12 or 14 so that you can make more solid gains from the EQ. If your still goin to use EQ.

[jstforme]

If you really want to use EQ in your cycle then i reccomend that you run your cycle longer then 10 weeks. EQ doesnt really kick in till about week 8 (give or take) so your only goin to have 2 weeks of actual use of it. So extend your cycle to 12 or 14 so that you can make more solid gains from the EQ. If your still goin to use EQ.

week 8, where did you hear that from. thats pretty funny. i have heard to frontload 600-800mg for first 2 weeks then go to 400 if 400 is what you are using, but i dont think there is a steroid out there that starts showing only after 8 weeks of use.

[requirethemaguire]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=225086&highlight=EQ+kick

read post number twelve... i mean of course it all depends on the person.. this guy said it usually takes him 6-8 weeks to kick in. so it may be 4-5 for somone else. depends on how your body process your gear and what brands your takin. oh and what dosage. so sorry to give false (well not false) but not specific info.

[jstforme]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=225086&highlight=EQ+kick

read post number twelve... i mean of course it all depends on the person.. this guy said it usually takes him 6-8 weeks to kick in. so it may be 4-5 for somone else. depends on how your body process your gear and what brands your takin. oh and what dosage. so sorry to give false (well not false) but not specific info.

thanks for that info, guess i shoulda read that it was post 12 before reading every damn one lol, that sounds like a rare case though, by no means does it kick in the first week (well i wouldnt know i havent tried it yet) but from what ive read a few weeks of use it should be showing.

[deacon_frost]

i found a cycle that i was told would work ok and is good for first time,need advise if it sounds good or if something should be added or taken away. week 1 to 13: 10mg Nolvadex daily
Week 1 to 10: 400mg of EQ weekly
Week 1 to 10: 500mg TEST weekly
wk 13 - 40mg nolva+ 100mg clomid daily
wk 14 - 30mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily
wk 15 - 20mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily
i agree with this cycle except for the nolva keep it on hand and take the dosage stated if u feel a nipple itch most of the time ya wont even need it the first cycle :cool:

[Beetlejuice]

I think you will find that equipoise at 600 mg a week should give noticable results by week 3 on the average person.

If you really want to use EQ in your cycle then i reccomend that you run your cycle longer then 10 weeks. EQ doesnt really kick in till about week 8 (give or take) so your only goin to have 2 weeks of actual use of it. So extend your cycle to 12 or 14 so that you can make more solid gains from the EQ. If your still goin to use EQ.