Tren/Prop/Mast

[No-Go]

Test Prop 1 to 8 weeks at 100mg (1ML) EOD total 600mgs per week
Tren Ace 1 to 8 weeks at 75mg EOD (0.75ML) total 300mgs per week
Mast 1 to 8 weeks at 100 mg EOD (1ML) total 600mgs per week

What PCT should i use, letro throughout? Nolva at the end of cycle? Do i need HCG?

Is it worthwhile doing a single 6-8 week cycle of Prop so i am used to it before i jump into Prop and Tren in the same cycle!?

Thanks

Chris

[da-sol]

Test Prop 1 to 8 weeks at 100mg (1ML) EOD total 600mgs per week
Tren Ace 1 to 8 weeks at 75mg EOD (0.75ML) total 300mgs per week
Mast 1 to 8 weeks at 100 mg EOD (1ML) total 600mgs per week

What PCT should i use, letro throughout? Nolva at the end of cycle? Do i need HCG?

Is it worthwhile doing a single 6-8 week cycle of Prop so i am used to it before i jump into Prop and Tren in the same cycle!?

Thanks

Chris

Chris your math is wrong but your EOD dosage is perfect.:D
100MG EOD = 350MG per week
Perfect cycle you can use Letro or cabergoline/dostinex
Yes to HCG you will need it.

[datuca]

I just finished my first cycle so I am no expert but from what i have read, Tren A is very potent and not recommended for first few cycles. I am assuming this your plan for second cycle as you are into your first right now.

[mccollumstacy]

Why is it that everyone recommends putting Tren off for a few cycles. It is one of the safest steroids for use. Doesn't aromatize, very little liver toxity, it does present slight kidney toxity but is easily compensated for by increasing fluid intake (which should be high when on cycle anyway), it is great as a cutter or bulker - leaving those with little experience in how to supplement a cycle safe - as it works well in reduced or increased caloric environments. It seems to be everthing one could want out of aas bundled into a safe package deal. I think Tren carries a stigma as a dangerous aas due to its lack of supply for several years. Years ago when I was jumping into this game feet first - it was a "supplement" that only the elite big boys could get due to its supply being low. It seems that when supply is low on something, it immediately becomes popular and demand subsequently increases even further than supply. I think it is a great AAS - I like it in almost all of my cycles - but I don't see it any more dangerous than D-BOL or Test.

[sTaTic]

Why is it that everyone recommends putting Tren off for a few cycles. It is one of the safest steroids for use. Doesn't aromatize, very little liver toxity, it does present slight kidney toxity but is easily compensated for by increasing fluid intake (which should be high when on cycle anyway), it is great as a cutter or bulker - leaving those with little experience in how to supplement a cycle safe - as it works well in reduced or increased caloric environments. It seems to be everthing one could want out of aas bundled into a safe package deal. I think Tren carries a stigma as a dangerous aas due to its lack of supply for several years. Years ago when I was jumping into this game feet first - it was a "supplement" that only the elite big boys could get due to its supply being low. It seems that when supply is low on something, it immediately becomes popular and demand subsequently increases even further than supply. I think it is a great AAS - I like it in almost all of my cycles - but I don't see it any more dangerous than D-BOL or Test.

I use it too in almost all of my cycles but I don't recommend people just starting out using tren. The reason is that I have seen so many people go from one extreme to the other with it. Some people can and do very well on it but then there are others that cant handle it at all. There's really no in between.

[No-Go]

Chris your math is wrong but your EOD dosage is perfect.:D
100MG EOD = 350MG per week
Perfect cycle you can use Letro or cabergoline/dostinex
Yes to HCG you will need it.

EOD would be 4 shots per week i assume Mon,Wed,Fri,Sun? thats 400mg?

I think Mast should help with that as i have heard it naturally helps combat sides i might add letro at 0.25 EOD.HCG dosage?

As for using Tren i have run long estered Test and EQ and am progressing onto short estered AAS,i agree with parts that you have said and Tren is potent but many people do not research before injecting. Sides can be bad but i have read that they are not as bad as the long estered tren, the only sides i have had with my first cycle is spots (not acne) but i have always had spots.

I agree with mccollumstacy that D-BOL can be just as dangerous if not more! People who are inexperienced and maybe don't know much about AAS go straight for D-BOL which is liver toxic and they use it alone with no liver aid,don't try and tell me that taking 50^mg of D-BOL everyday without a liver protector is better than taking a low dose of Tren which can produce sides such as insomnia,night sweats,and spots which arn't life threatening,your liver does alot for you and i sure wouldn't want to be without one

[da-sol]

EOD would be 4 shots per week i assume Mon,Wed,Fri,Sun? thats 400mg?

I think Mast should help with that as i have heard it naturally helps combat sides i might add letro at 0.25 EOD.HCG dosage?

As for using Tren i have run long estered Test and EQ and am progressing onto short estered AAS,i agree with parts that you have said and Tren is potent but many people do not research before injecting. Sides can be bad but i have read that they are not as bad as the long estered tren, the only sides i have had with my first cycle is spots (not acne) but i have always had spots.

I agree with mccollumstacy that D-BOL can be just as dangerous if not more! People who are inexperienced and maybe don't know much about AAS go straight for D-BOL which is liver toxic and they use it alone with no liver aid,don't try and tell me that taking 50^mg of D-BOL everyday without a liver protector is better than taking a low dose of Tren which can produce sides such as insomnia,night sweats,and spots which arn't life threatening,your liver does alot for you and i sure wouldn't want to be without one

I was doing HCG at 500IU every 5 days. This worked great for me.

[da-sol]

EOD would be 4 shots per week i assume Mon,Wed,Fri,Sun? thats 400mg?



Take your EOD dosage (100MG) and times that by 3.5 thats how you come up with the weekly dosage.
Yes you right the first week you will inject Mon,Wed,Fri,Sun thats 400MG but next week it will be Tues, Thurs, Sat for 300MG. So that's how you come up with 350MG per week. Don't worry about the weekly dosage just make sure you take it EOD.

Good luck with this cycle

[soldierb11]

Why is it that everyone recommends putting Tren off for a few cycles. It is one of the safest steroids for use. Doesn't aromatize, very little liver toxity, it does present slight kidney toxity but is easily compensated for by increasing fluid intake (which should be high when on cycle anyway), it is great as a cutter or bulker - leaving those with little experience in how to supplement a cycle safe - as it works well in reduced or increased caloric environments. It seems to be everthing one could want out of aas bundled into a safe package deal. I think Tren carries a stigma as a dangerous aas due to its lack of supply for several years. Years ago when I was jumping into this game feet first - it was a "supplement" that only the elite big boys could get due to its supply being low. It seems that when supply is low on something, it immediately becomes popular and demand subsequently increases even further than supply. I think it is a great AAS - I like it in almost all of my cycles - but I don't see it any more dangerous than D-BOL or Test.

I agree, I think Tren's sides are over exagerated. I wouldnt recommend it for a first cycle but perhaps for a 2nd or 3rd. IMHO, Adding a little Tren A at 75 EOD to see how your body will handle, would be a good addition to a cycle

[No-Go]

So what limits do we have on this cycle or are they endless?

My aim is too harden up,and cut the fat down if i can while keeping strength!

[No-Go]

Can you mix the Prop and Tren in the same needle?

[Benner]

Can you mix the Prop and Tren in the same needle?

Bump this! Also, can you inject tren in the delts? I heard it can lead to extreme 'tren cough'

[da-sol]

Can you mix the Prop and Tren in the same needle?

Yes you can mix all three prop/mast/tren.

Bump this! Also, can you inject tren in the delts? I heard it can lead to extreme 'tren cough'

I injected tren in the delts with no problems.

[No-Go]

Nice one not sure wether to mix them all in (make 2.5ml EOD) or seperate them?

Hmmm

[da-sol]

Nice one not sure wether to mix them all in (make 2.5ml EOD) or seperate them?

Hmmm

You will already be a pin cushion so mix all three together.

[No-Go]

And what about energy levels as my carbs are gonna be real low,is energy increased or should i consider some energy enhancer?

[jchh]

So as a first cutting cycle, would the overall consensus be to go Prop/Mast. OR Prop/Mast/ lower dose of tren. Seems pretty split.I think i will just run Prop/Mast for my first cutter and see how those work before I add tren, tren wont make or break the cutter would it?

[No-Go]

it seems as though Tren is the key,while keeping your strength up and aiding in the reduction of fat

[da-sol]

And what about energy levels as my carbs are gonna be real low,is energy increased or should i consider some energy enhancer?

My engry was very high but I used ECA/Clen so i'm a bad example.