a cutter

[big49ersfan]

i am 22 217lbs and 5'8"and 12%bf. My first cycle was a deca,test e and dbol i made some quality gains from this. i did this 8months approximately ago and went upto 235 and 18%bf.


I have recovered (blood test show it, back to baseline test levels), my bp is now text book and cho is at 3 (not sure exactly what this means but doc said this is a good level).

i do a 6 day workout now have done fo rpast 3months:

day 1-upper body push and HIT
day 2 lower body (i include deads in lower body, also do cleans, some snatches for variety)
day 3 45min steady state
day 4 upper body pull and HIT
day 5 lower body (genraly startw ith some sort of squat)
day 6 as day 3

newyas i love the training it has worked as numbers show. I am currently consuming 300clas below maintence and seems to have dhifted the fat.


k nuff bablle, i looking for a cutter, i dont really want to use tren just yet will do on a future cycle. I ppreciate a test/tren/winny or something alsong those lines would work wonders but looking for something a little bit milder:

options i can think off:

1. 500mg test e with 1mg a'dex eod and for 10-12 weeks then starting weeks 9 or 11 (depnding on length of test) for 4 week wither winny or anavar. i will kickstart the cycle with 2-4 weeks of eod shots of prop @100mg.

2. same as above but include masteron throughout cycle, i know it work at <11 but @ 12 i can shift another % naturlly.

3. a 8weeker of prop/masteron with last 4 weeks of winny/anavar. Using 100mg eod of both and then 50mg of winny or anavar.

4. 6 weeks primo/masteron/prop @ 500pw/100eod/100eod then may run thr prop for another 4 weeks with winny. may use a'dex throughout but the masteorn should stop lot of retention, no?

5.primo and masteron only for 8 weeks with winny @ the end

k a lot of options

if nayone else can come upwith a better cycle let me know, could do with some advice here

would use

injectables:
prop,enantahte, primo, masteron

orals
winny and anavar

anx-
clen, a'dex, prov, eca

k cheers lads

[mickeymbbc]

i am 22 217lbs and 5'8"and 12%bf. My first cycle was a deca,test e and dbol i made some quality gains from this. i did this 8months approximately ago and went upto 235 and 18%bf.


I have recovered (blood test show it, back to baseline test levels), my bp is now text book and cho is at 3 (not sure exactly what this means but doc said this is a good level).

i do a 6 day workout now have done fo rpast 3months:

day 1-upper body push and HIT
day 2 lower body (i include deads in lower body, also do cleans, some snatches for variety)
day 3 45min steady state
day 4 upper body pull and HIT
day 5 lower body (genraly startw ith some sort of squat)
day 6 as day 3

newyas i love the training it has worked as numbers show. I am currently consuming 300clas below maintence and seems to have dhifted the fat.


k nuff bablle, i looking for a cutter, i dont really want to use tren just yet will do on a future cycle. I ppreciate a test/tren/winny or something alsong those lines would work wonders but looking for something a little bit milder:

options i can think off:

1. 500mg test e with 1mg a'dex eod and for 10-12 weeks then starting weeks 9 or 11 (depnding on length of test) for 4 week wither winny or anavar. i will kickstart the cycle with 2-4 weeks of eod shots of prop @100mg.

2. same as above but include masteron throughout cycle, i know it work at <11 but @ 12 i can shift another % naturlly.

3. a 8weeker of prop/masteron with last 4 weeks of winny/anavar. Using 100mg eod of both and then 50mg of winny or anavar.

4. 6 weeks primo/masteron/prop @ 500pw/100eod/100eod then may run thr prop for another 4 weeks with winny. may use a'dex throughout but the masteorn should stop lot of retention, no?

5.primo and masteron only for 8 weeks with winny @ the end

k a lot of options

if nayone else can come upwith a better cycle let me know, could do with some advice here

would use

injectables:
prop,enantahte, primo, masteron

orals
winny and anavar

anx-
clen, a'dex, prov, eca

k cheers lads

Weeks 1-10 - Test Prop (AOP ProTest-100) EOD
Weeks 1-10 - Masteron (AOP DP-100) EOD
Week 11 - 40mg Nolva ED
Week 12 - 30mg Nolva ED
Week 13 - 20 mg Nolva ED

What about something like this:

wks 1-2 EQ 400mg (split, twice a week injects)
wks 3-12 EQ 400mg
wks 3-12 Test Enth 600mg
wks 3-12 Masteron 100mg EOD
wks 3-6 Nolva, 20mg per night b/4 bed (the Masteron should be enough anti-e after wk 6)

wks 13-15 Prop 100mg EOD (bridge to PCT as longer esters dissipate, easing Post-Cycle Crash, depression)

wk 16 40mg Nolva ED/3000mg Tribulus ED
wk 17 30mg Nolva ED/3000mg Tribulus ED
wk 18 20mg Nolva ED/3000mg Tribulus


wks 1-10 600mg Test Cyp(20mg Nolvadex pr night)
wks 1-10 600mg Primo pr wk
wks 1-10 40-60mg Var
PCT 2 WEEKS AFTER


wks 1-10 200mg EQ every 4th day
wks 5-12 100mg Tren Enth every 4th day
wks 3-12 100mg Test Cyp every 4th day
wks 3-12 40mg Anavar pr day

That should be good for now brutha:


-mick

[Bucket]

I like #3 the best.

[big49ersfan]

i feel like a kid in a candy store, they all look good??
had not thought of using eq in a cutter my inexperince i guess. add another compound to the frame, seemes decnt not as expensive as primo??

im thinking masteron is a must i likin its profile and so i will be injecting every other day whatever so might as well use prop with it is it cheaper, less reterntion.

k so the 15 weeeker

wks 1-2 EQ 400mg (split, twice a week injects)
wks 3-12 EQ 400mg
wks 3-12 Test Enth 600mg
wks 3-12 Masteron 100mg EOD
wks 3-6 Nolva, 20mg per night b/4 bed (the Masteron should be enough anti-e after wk 6)

wks 13-15 Prop 100mg EOD (bridge to PCT as longer esters dissipate, easing Post-Cycle Crash, depression)

wk 16 40mg Nolva ED/3000mg Tribulus ED
wk 17 30mg Nolva ED/3000mg Tribulus ED
wk 18 20mg Nolva ED/3000mg Tribulus


seems to be my favoutire looking option

1.as injecting eod would you like put the eq on mon,fri, and the tet on tuesday sunday. so do do it witht he masteron.

2. would you front load anything or use an oral kickstart. or is that basically what the ew is doing with 400mg twice weekly for 2 weeks.

3. could i add winny in with the last 4 weeks to the cycle to get rid of any water.

4. i used clo/nolv split for my pct was that over kill. how east is it to reover from a 15 weeker mine was a 10-12 weeker last time.

5. use HCG like from week 5 e5d @ 500 i.u? or not needed here

cheers lads.

[mickeymbbc]

1.as injecting eod would you like put the eq on mon,fri, and the tet on tuesday sunday. so do do it witht he masteron. I DO THE EQ AND TEST TOGETHER(MONDAY-THURSDAY) MASTERONE EOD


2. would you front load anything or use an oral kickstart. or is that basically what the ew is doing with 400mg twice weekly for 2 weeks. I would probably front load dball or anadrol

3. could i add winny in with the last 4 weeks to the cycle to get rid of any water. YEP


4. i used clo/nolv split for my pct was that over kill. how east is it to reover from a 15 weeker mine was a 10-12 weeker last time. I WOULD DEFINATELY INCORPERATE BOTH AFTER THE CYCLE

5. use HCG like from week 5 e5d @ 500 i.u? or not needed here - ONLY USE HCG IF YOU NEED TO ,ITS NICE TO HAVE ON HAND INCASE YOUR BALLS SHRINK
cheers lads.[/QUOTE]

[big49ersfan]

alright cheers for the advice bro

i have decided that a 15weeker is to long i will shitting it if i will recover or not.

i have decided to run

week 1-10 prop @ 100mg eod
week 1-10 masteron @ 100mg eod
week4-10 anavar @ 50mg ed

then pct week 11 im guessing

should i use nolva and trib or clomid/nolva, clomid/nolva/trib ???

im not going with any anti-e dotnthink iwill need masterona nd anavr should do a good enuff job there

cheers in advance.

[mickeymbbc]

alright cheers for the advice bro

i have decided that a 15weeker is to long i will shitting it if i will recover or not.

i have decided to run

week 1-10 prop @ 100mg eod
week 1-10 masteron @ 100mg eod
week4-10 anavar @ 50mg ed

then pct week 11 im guessing

should i use nolva and trib or clomid/nolva, clomid/nolva/trib ???

im not going with any anti-e dotnthink iwill need masterona nd anavr should do a good enuff job there

cheers in advance.


Thats not a very harsh cycle brutha, so I wouldnt think that you would ned all 3.

clomid 150-100-50
Novadex 40-30-20
and then add the trib to one of them if you like

-mick

[jimmy]

217lbs at 12% is pretty heavy for 5ft8"

good results for someone thats only done 1 cycle!

well done :)

[big49ersfan]

pre 1st cycle i was benching 140kg squating 190kg and dead lifting 200kg i played rugby in a youth academy and so had me diet sorted from 14 y/o which was rather nice quit rugby for uni but still get the mentality right

pre 1st cycle i was 205lbs and ~11% bf i was doing like 4/5 sesions of cardio it helps a lot the cycle i gained well ~ 30lbs which was nice but increase bf but still.