pain.. please help.

[lola26]

well glad to see alinboard back up!

ok, started my second cycle 750mg stealth sust, 600mg stealth eq, and dbol. heres the deal; injection pain. so far i shot both quads and both glutes, all injection sites hurt like hell. i mixed the eq and sust and let them sit in my pin, i heated with hot water, still pain. not just a bit of pain. i cant walk up stairs, cant sleep, etc.
what do you guys think?? bake it??

im not a bitch, this is real pain!

[lastblondbb]

Well since all 4 sites are having the same problem. The reason is one of these. too much benzyl alcohol or a over concentrated dose in the oil or the oil some how got contaminated and has caused an infection in all sites.

[drob29]

well glad to see alinboard back up!

ok, started my second cycle 750mg stealth sust, 600mg stealth eq, and dbol. heres the deal; injection pain. so far i shot both quads and both glutes, all injection sites hurt like hell. i mixed the eq and sust and let them sit in my pin, i heated with hot water, still pain. not just a bit of pain. i cant walk up stairs, cant sleep, etc.
what do you guys think?? bake it??

im not a bitch, this is real pain!

hmmmm...

Lola have you used stealth sust before? or any stealth products? if it was sust alone I would think its stealth pain (which would also be odd as its usually test E stealth pain) but cut with that much EQ something else is going on.

I am running the same cycle now but with test e and have had no pain.

[kevin3987]

thats weird I would say cut the sust with eq' but he's getting pain from the eq to' are u doing the 600cc's in one shot if so I would say split it into 2 & cut the sust with some eq & divid those shots to' just my 2%

[fr8lnr01]

I was having the same issues initially with supertest and deca. After the second set of shots in the same area the pain has become manageable. At this point it is not really pain as it is slight discomfort. I dont shoot it slow, it takes less then a minute to inject. I do not warm it up. I do not massage the injection. I work out the same area on the same day some times.

Damn, lola, with over a thousand posts I figured you would be a pro at this by now. You body will become accustomed to it soon and the pain should subside. If you want to bake it 200' for five minutes should do the trick.

[drob29]

If you want to bake it 200' for five minutes should do the trick.

I dont know about the bake it idea. I have heard this in the past, but I also read (somewhere) that after you bake it is not as resistant to bacteria growth and can become contaminated easily. I mean the BA is there for a reason.

If I was going to bake it I would bake just what you were going to inject that day.

[fr8lnr01]

bake a sachet then add a sachet. cut it in half. Some times I wonder how much pain these guys are having?

[drob29]

I would think if lola says it hurts, it hurts.

Others, I wonder too. remember marteks post? he had pain with stealth and posted he was done with steroids "for a long long time"..lol.

[hazuya]

My deepest apologies.

If I offended anyone, sorry.

[drob29]

I am using the Test E Iran's and have absolutely no pain. I mean none, so I understand why Martek would say what he did.

I dont see where those two things are even SLIGHTLY related bro...the fact you use Iran test E gives you insight into why martek would bitch about pain from stealth? :rolleyes:

[hazuya]

Sorry

[lola26]

Well since all 4 sites are having the same problem. The reason is one of these. too much benzyl alcohol or a over concentrated dose in the oil or the oil some how got contaminated and has caused an infection in all sites.


no signs of an infection.

[lola26]

hmmmm...

Lola have you used stealth sust before? or any stealth products? if it was sust alone I would think its stealth pain (which would also be odd as its usually test E stealth pain) but cut with that much EQ something else is going on.

I am running the same cycle now but with test e and have had no pain.



yes, i used stealth before. test e, test c, eq.

[lola26]

thats weird I would say cut the sust with eq' but he's getting pain from the eq to' are u doing the 600cc's in one shot if so I would say split it into 2 & cut the sust with some eq & divid those shots to' just my 2%

i am shooting 1ml sus / 1 ml eq every 3 days. (mon-thu-sun-wed)

[lola26]

I was having the same issues initially with supertest and deca. After the second set of shots in the same area the pain has become manageable. At this point it is not really pain as it is slight discomfort. I dont shoot it slow, it takes less then a minute to inject. I do not warm it up. I do not massage the injection. I work out the same area on the same day some times.

Damn, lola, with over a thousand posts I figured you would be a pro at this by now. You body will become accustomed to it soon and the pain should subside. If you want to bake it 200' for five minutes should do the trick.


i have done the second round in my quads and still pain, real pain. i am not shootin virgin sites here either. i just got done shooting stealth in my last cycle 2 months ago, no pain, some soreness, but no pain.

[lola26]

bake a sachet then add a sachet. cut it in half. Some times I wonder how much pain these guys are having?


real pain. not soreness. cant workout, cant sleep, cant walk, cant move.
i wonder if i am reacting badly with something in the sust?

[lola26]

I would think if lola says it hurts, it hurts.

Others, I wonder too. remember marteks post? he had pain with stealth and posted he was done with steroids "for a long long time"..lol.

I am using the Test E Iran's and have absolutely no pain. I mean none, so I understand why Martek would say what he did.

I dont see where those two things are even SLIGHTLY related bro...the fact you use Iran test E gives you insight into why martek would bitch about pain from stealth? :rolleyes:


i am no martek!!! what do iranians have anything to do with this thread?

[Machola]

maybe its a bad reaction to the prop/phenylprop esters. ive heard some people are allergic to esters. ive started having the same pain you're talkin about but with supertest. i had to take 2 days out of work. im planning on going back to a less painful ester. ive had no pain with stealth test cyp.

[k1*]

maybe its a bad reaction to the prop/phenylprop esters. ive heard some people are allergic to esters. ive started having the same pain you're talkin about but with supertest. i had to take 2 days out of work. im planning on going back to a less painful ester. ive had no pain with stealth test cyp.

Told you not to mess with that SuperTest yet;):p

[bigboi8225]

try cutting the sus with some sterile oil

[lola26]

i can understand some pain with supertest, not sust! this has to be some kind of allergic reaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[redlion]

I read here somewhere someone tested the supertest and i cant remember what was found in it, but they where saying to take antihistamines...or something like that... im on supertest and eq, and had the same problem, but it went away after i slowed the injection down to about 3minutes and i try to have a 50/50 split of eq, and test... I lot of people I know are also having serious pain in th beginning, but after a few weeks, there OK...lol..

[InkFiend33]

i am runnin 500 sust and 400 eq stealth right now... my first two weeks it hurt... bad... but now my body loves it... stings a little going in but no pain... are you going deep enough and getting good and in the muscle??

[wumba]

In the 3rd week of a stealth cycle, and have only been injecting the TestE in the glutes, but let me tell ya I feel your pain Lola. I am limping around and have to lean to the side to sit down. I know the test is known to have problems more often than the sust, but I just thought Id throw it out there that I know how ya feel haha

[lola26]

i am runnin 500 sust and 400 eq stealth right now... my first two weeks it hurt... bad... but now my body loves it... stings a little going in but no pain... are you going deep enough and getting good and in the muscle??



yes... i know how to inject.

[IronBod]

My advice buy some Galenika test, painless. I used 20 ml of supertest
and it hurt. The pain was one thing but the scare tissue it caused was
another.:mad:

[Machola]

Told you not to mess with that SuperTest yet;):p

i know but its so damn cheap.:rolleyes: im switchin to cyp but im not done with the st until i try cutting it.

[lola26]

ok thread jackers...

anyway, just shot my quad again. no pain during injection. i hope my body can adapt to this stuff.

[joe_black]

ok thread jackers...

anyway, just shot my quad again. no pain during injection. i hope my body can adapt to this stuff.

When I had quad pain I just started cutting with b12 and it stopped.

Good luck make sure your hitting on the outer and not the inner, I made the mistake of hitting the inner and couldnt walk for days!!! lol

[azurescen]

http://alinboard.com/showthread.php?t=10056&highlight=benadryl+stealth

use Benadryl to ease the pain of stealth shots. the pain is an allergic reaction to histamines in the oil.

[IronBod]

well glad to see alinboard back up!

ok, started my second cycle 750mg stealth sust, 600mg stealth eq, and dbol. heres the deal; injection pain. so far i shot both quads and both glutes, all injection sites hurt like hell. i mixed the eq and sust and let them sit in my pin, i heated with hot water, still pain. not just a bit of pain. i cant walk up stairs, cant sleep, etc.
what do you guys think?? bake it??

im not a bitch, this is real pain!

It seems like i remember you saying a long time ago, that you would be
sticking with the Iranians, after hearing about stealth test pain.
Why did you change your mind? :confused: From your pal thread hi-jacker. :D

[lola26]

It seems like i remember you saying a long time ago, that you would be
sticking with the Iranians, after hearing about stealth test pain.
Why did you change your mind? :confused: From your pal thread hi-jacker. :D

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[lola26]

again, pain from yesterdays injection. it is bearable today. i hope this all works out.

[cjack62]

again, pain from yesterdays injection. it is bearable today. i hope this all works out.

I shot 1/2 a cc of ST with 250 Tren split between both quads and the right glute...My left glute was still so swollen from the week before that I left it alone. Instead of the pain lasting 6 days (or more) in one site...it only lasted 3 days in the three sites. I changed the needle in each injection and was informed from a diabetic to freeze the needles. It was much better but I have come to the realization that I think SuperTest sucks and is not for me.

I'm changing to the Iranian 250 Enthanate...I hope I get better results than I did with the ST and can actually work out instead of walking around with a swollen ass or sore thighs. Unfortunately, I have a lot of this ST left over and have decided to give it to my worst enemies so they can experience that ridiculous pain....

By the way...my bodybuilding buddies have said they believe that the ST is crystalizing in the body and takes time to work itself out.

[Krom]

I've been using the stealth test E and I cut it with sterile cottonseed oil. That totally stopped the soreness, and I ditched the benedril since it wasn't doing shit for me. Now I don't get so nervous when injecting. Very nice.:)

Good luck with your problem lola. Glad to hear you don't have an infection.

[kevin3987]

Bump! on the infecion'

[redlion]

I was only sore for the first 3-4 injections, then it went away, but my buddy is still sore and wants to stop... Im relaying all these different tactics on the battle to fight the sore ass glutes...lol...

[Krom]

I think it helps if you give some time to let the cottonseed oil mix with the steroid in the syringe.

[FordTurboDiesel]

Gotta say.....yesterday I did my fist injection of stealth. 1.5cc of C and 2cc of NPP. I hurt a little and Im no pussy when it comes to pain but my ass hurts some. Probably didnt' help I took a minute to shoot both ( :) ), but what the hell....figured Id relay.

How ya holding up Lola?

[lola26]

my glute still have some pain but it is very bearable. i gave up on the quads and am going to shoot my delts tomorrow.

[Leeboy]

my glute still have some pain but it is very bearable. i gave up on the quads and am going to shoot my delts tomorrow.

Keep us updated Lola:)

[SwoleTexasKid]

Ive gotten injecting down to a science, mix up the gear in the pin, run it under hot water and hold it up then down under the water for the air bubble to mix the contents,

Insert into glute, shoot at medium pace, stopping for 15 seconds every 1/2 ml. Never massage.

If my ass gets slightly stiff the next day, I walk it off, its part of the game.

Before I knew how to do it seamlessly, I fucked myself up bad a couple times. When i first started messing with the SuperTest, I rammed a needle in my quad and injected it fast as hell, 1 ml. Then I massaged it so deep that I woke up the next day and It felt like I had been shot in the leg and the bullet was lodged in my skin. It would not function, I still waddled to my college courses, dragging it behind me, telling people a car hit me.

That was a fun next two weeks, let me tell you.

[lola26]

swoll... i think i am just reacting badly to the high ba. i am injecting perfectly.

[Martek]

Hey Lola, well heres the deal, after a couple weeks of injections with the stealth I did manage to get used to it. the body will get used to it at least it should for most. Some report it swelling even to week 7, but most are reporting recovery 2-3 weeks in and the swelling, soreness etc should be gone. This happened with me but not anymore. Painless delt injections.

[CountVascular]

yup we had the Martek Tears..never doing juice again, i am stopping now..cant bear the pain....

well that is me just adding some humour...I have 8 packs of sustanon whispering evil things to me from the cupboard...precious, we are your precious......the only thing is i dont have anything to mix 'em with, all my eq is finished...

Hey Martek, did you do PCT and then start straight away with the next cycle, or did you just change from e to sus??

[Martek]

yup we had the Martek Tears..never doing juice again, i am stopping now..cant bear the pain....

well that is me just adding some humour...I have 8 packs of sustanon whispering evil things to me from the cupboard...precious, we are your precious......the only thing is i dont have anything to mix 'em with, all my eq is finished...

Hey Martek, did you do PCT and then start straight away with the next cycle, or did you just change from e to sus??

E to Sust.

[CountVascular]

E to Sust.

you naughty boy.... :D

[Martek]

you naugthy boy.... :D

hehe :P :D:D:D:D:D:D

[JeffinMaryland]

I injected my third week of Stealth Test E last night. The first and second were pretty painful for the first four days. I was really dreading this third shot. This time I took a generic benydril about an hour before I shot which was about two hours before I went to sleep. This morning I took a generic Claritin which is non drowsy. So far today no pain whatsoever! I can feel where the shot went in on my quad but it does not hurt. This was from the same sachet as the first two plus half a mg from a new sachet (same lot #). So I really think the antihistimines are working!

Please give this a try, it definitely can't hurt trying.

[Matt Rock]

Goddammit now you guys are starting to trip me out... I'm nearly ready to take the plunge with Stealth. I was going to cut the stlth E with eq, but most of you have done that.. is your body continuing to accept the sust more readily now lola? I don't fear the pain per se, just how it could affect my workouts! ok- well not many people straight up dig pain either =) gl bro!

[flatblack]

Goddammit now you guys are starting to trip me out... I'm nearly ready to take the plunge with Stealth. I was going to cut the stlth E with eq, but most of you have done that.. is your body continuing to accept the sust more readily now lola? I don't fear the pain per se, just how it could affect my workouts! ok- well not many people straight up dig pain either =) gl bro!dude, people on here who seem like they have so much experience etc etc. i'm beginning to doubt some...cant yet vouch for the effectiveness of stealth as i'm just beginning my cycle of test e n eq but for me the stealth injection went fine and i didnt cut it with the eq either...the gear seems much thinner than what ive used in vials b4....from what i'm told peach oil is used as the stealth vehicle where cottonseed oil ,used in alotta pharma grade gear, has a greater viscocity...the stealth is fine, just inject it very very slowly...cuz its thin yer tempted to blast it in, ya have to force yerself to inject slowly specially if yer using a 23g pin...i'm sure a minority here r allergic to the benzyl alcohol in the compound, but dont let that scare ya away from copping some stealth, good luck:)p.s., if ya get stealth n the pain happens to be toooo much i'll buy it from ya with a modest discount of course:D

[lola26]

hey flatblack, every persons body is different. i used stealth in two different cycles. my body reacted very badly to the super high BA in the batch of stealth sust i got. i sold that sust (same batch) to two other members here, one member is tolerating the pain, the other member just threw his away.

you know nothing as you have no personal experience with this product, so keep you mouth shut!

[flatblack]

hey flatblack, every persons body is different. i used stealth in two different cycles. my body reacted very badly to the super high BA in the batch of stealth sust i got. i sold that sust (same batch) to two other members here, one member is tolerating the pain, the other member just threw his away.

you know nothing as you have no personal experience with this product, so keep you mouth shut!my comment was "generally speaking" , not directed to u personally, didnt know i'd have to clarify that for u...ive just done a couple shots of stealth e with minimal pain, where from reading posts many dudes have had problems with it...yer right, i dont know stealth sustanon so i didnt comment on it...this is an old thread with many posts n comments on it n was happy to add my 2 cents to it...i dont like being rude on a message board, but if u dont like me or my comments, u can kiss my ass right up to the red

[High9]

hey flatblack, every persons body is different. i used stealth in two different cycles. my body reacted very badly to the super high BA in the batch of stealth sust i got. i sold that sust (same batch) to two other members here, one member is tolerating the pain, the other member just threw his away.

you know nothing as you have no personal experience with this product, so keep you mouth shut!

I agree, there is variability between batches. Having done two cycles of stealth now, I've had different experiences. But more often than not it won't be as bad as lola's case, maybe a lil unlucky there.

(if anyone cares: I managed to get through the crippling stealth pain by cutting with sterile oil, it pretty much took 2:1 ratio (cutting oil:cycle oils) to kill the pain... which then got reduced to 1:1 later in the cycle.)

[lola26]

personally i will never use stealth again. i am not bashing the product, it works and is effective.

[lola26]

my comment was "generally speaking" , not directed to u personally, didnt know i'd have to clarify that for u...ive just done a couple shots of stealth e with minimal pain, where from reading posts many dudes have had problems with it...yer right, i dont know stealth sustanon so i didnt comment on it...this is an old thread with many posts n comments on it n was happy to add my 2 cents to it...i dont like being rude on a message board, but if u dont like me or my comments, u can kiss my ass right up to the red


i am just tired of people with no stealth experience making dumb comments.

[flatblack]

i am just tired of people with no stealth experience making dumb comments.my comments werent dumb to matt rocks...i had just done 2 shots of stealth e, n was tryin to encourage him to go ahead with getting it...he seemed to be on the fence n worried about it, as was i...wasnt as bad as i thought it might be..just started doin stealth but have enuff experience over the past 7 years with other gear to at least make a comparison...no fuckin' biggie

[Matt Rock]

my comments werent dumb to matt rocks...i had just done 2 shots of stealth e, n was tryin to encourage him to go ahead with getting it...he seemed to be on the fence n worried about it, as was i...wasnt as bad as i thought it might be..just started doin stealth but have enuff experience over the past 7 years with other gear to at least make a comparison...no fuckin' biggie

And it's appreciated Flat, thanks for sharing your exp with it so far. I'm still gonna go ahead with it (not till the new year), if I react terribly with it you know where it's headed =) Keep me posted on the results of your Stealth E and Eq if you can.

Have you pulled the shute on the Stealth sust lola? fuckin BA, did you try cutting it?

peace

[crfpilot14]

You guys can get some Vagisil cream and rub it on your pussies to ease your vaginitis. :rolleyes:

[skimey]

Who gives a fuck about the pain as long as you look good.Suck it up and take it bro you only live once.

[automatic]

And it's appreciated Flat, thanks for sharing your exp with it so far. I'm still gonna go ahead with it (not till the new year), if I react terribly with it you know where it's headed =) Keep me posted on the results of your Stealth E and Eq if you can.

Have you pulled the shute on the Stealth sust lola? fuckin BA, did you try cutting it?

peace

heres my 2 cent on stealth.i just finished (stealth) test prop,tren a cycle and i did have alittle pain for a day or 2 at injection site,but never walked with a limp.the trick is make sure its aleast room temp,and inject very slowly with breaks in between,this cuts back on the soreness the next day.i think alot of people rush there shot and are not properly educated.although ive used andropen 275 from bd and i had pain for 4-5 days and walked with a limp.i found out that i was injecting to low in the glute and rushed injection abit.(i think)i am very happy with stealth and will be using stealth sus next year.claritin also helped me as well.btw this was the best cycle ive ever done

[jstizzle]

You guys can get some Vagisil cream and rub it on your pussies to ease your vaginitis. :rolleyes:

:eek::Dhe :Dhe :Dhe

[CountVascular]

You guys can get some Vagisil cream and rub it on your pussies to ease your vaginitis. :rolleyes:

Alin sells Vagisil??? Is it a stealth product?? Awesome.

Ano and RAw must have done a few cycles of it, they are the biggest cunts here.

:D

[soldierb11]

i guess i have been lucky with stealth products. ive used stealth tren, mast, deca and now using eq and mast again. most pain i get is just a couple days and not that bad. though the site itches for about days 3-5 afterwards.

i would just make sure the gear is room temp. at least and then inject slowly and definitely dont massage afterwards, and some people like taking benadryl along with it.

[mccollumstacy]

Someone posted that folks with no experience should not put their 2 cents worth in or something like that - just basically tired of those with no experience w/ stealth chiming in. Well heres my stealth credentials:
60 ml - Super Test
60 ml - Tren Enan
40 ml - Deca
40 ml - Mast
60 ml - Test Enan
40 ml - Test Cyp
20 ml - Sust

I have been on a few other "brands" of gear over the last 12 years or so also.

Site pain w/ stealth is a little more than others I have experienced.
If I don't take Benedryl the night of pinning - I simply drag ass for some time until I take a good dose. Just leaves me shitty feeling.
As for the site pain - It's better to work the shit out of the site of injection - It hurts in the beginning - but it either gets numb or the increased blood flow cleans out the impurities (if you will) that my body doesn't seem to like.
I don't get the overall shitty feeling with anything except Supertest. But I love Supertest and the bang for the buck - so I continue to use it. I really think that it is just the amounts of actual aas that I put in at one time. Each pin will consist of around 950 mg. I do 2 pins per week. I am off all orals now except T3 - leaving me to still blame the stealth. Is it overwhelming? - Sometimes - but I am a glutton for punishment. I think we all are - or you wouldn't put yourself through the shit you do (think about it) I would probably switch over to BP or something - but I am not ordering glass in the mail anymore. I got pinched by local authorities by having vials mailed to me. Cost me a grand for a decent attorney - but he was glad to render his services and told me to come back when it happened again - he knew I was a potential returning cust. And yes - they now watch my shit closely - just got some lipostabil shipped to me that they had opened to check out - threw a label on it stating it was cosmetic medication for self administration. Basically it is not illegal to have posession of. Sorry for getting off subject there - Conclusion - Yes Stealth is a little on the harsh side - and yes I have another order of it on the way. Obviously not harsh enough!!

[lola26]

You won't do it but here's your solution. Cut your painful gear with sterile oil.
From my experience, the sterile oil in no way cuts steroid potency, if that's what's bothering you.

no shit sherlock!! when your injecting 6ml of oil per week. its a bit tough to cut it well. do you think im stupid??

[IronBod]

Who gives a fuck about the pain as long as you look good.Suck it up and take it bro you only live once.

Why would you want to suffer, when can use another brand with
no pain at all.:rolleyes: Theres only one way to describe the pain from
ST 450 injected into the quad. It feels just like someone took a bat
and tried to knock a homerun on your quad 3-4 days after inject.

Suck it up and take it???? I used every ml of ST 450 that i bought,
took the pain, and know i have alot of scare tissue in my quads and
glutes, to show for being ignorant and cheap.;)

Stealth Deca and Eq, = great products from my expereince.
But when it comes to test, i be sticking with Galenika or Organon Sust.